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Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 2

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Viviennemary · 18/09/2026 14:17

Buckingham Palace have said they won't be commenting further on the book. But I expect plenty of others will be and it's not even published yet so I started this second thread. I really liked Diana and thought she got treated shabbily by Charles. But really writing a book of gripes 30 years later is not on imho. I noticed on the news Harry declined to comment on it. Sensible decision for once.

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spreadandsprinkles · 18/09/2026 16:33

My DF died the day before Diana, many people called me. Can't remember a single word of those conversations or what I did that day really. Surprised he can given her sudden death, my DFs was expected.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 16:33

Ferriswheel101 · 18/09/2026 16:29

Watching everything unfold, I’m really starting to see strong similarities between Harry and his uncle, Charles Spencer. They both appear quite hot-headed, inflexible, and struggle to forgive, holding onto grudges for years. There also seems to be a shared sense of paranoia regarding the media and outsiders. I wonder if these are Spencer specific traits or just a coincidence....

Me too! I was going to say that but didn’t have the guts.

I agree - they both have a spiteful, grudge-nursing trait - and don’t give a damn who they hurt.

H definitely favours the Spencersr in looks too. All that rubbish about James Hewitt - couldn’t people see that all Diana’s siblings were redheads?

Andylion · 18/09/2026 16:36

JustAnotherWhinger · 18/09/2026 16:11

It was said that Diana recorded tapes of George smith talking about this while in rehab. I don’t think that was long before Diana died though, so perhaps that’s the reason they never leaked out.

The story was then seen as unreliable as Smith offered to retract the story and write an apology when offered money by a newspaper.

[Edited by MNHQ at poster's request]

Any chance you could fix the typo in your post?

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 16:37

spreadandsprinkles · 18/09/2026 16:33

My DF died the day before Diana, many people called me. Can't remember a single word of those conversations or what I did that day really. Surprised he can given her sudden death, my DFs was expected.

I lost both my parents separately but suddenly and traumatically. There are bits afterwards I forget. But there are conversations I remember word for word. I remember exactly the words used to tell me about my father's death, exactly where I was. Some things are forgotten, some things stay seared in your mind.

Just as I can remember exactly the words I used to tell my partner his mother had died and what his reaction was.

upinaballoon · 18/09/2026 16:47

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 16:33

Me too! I was going to say that but didn’t have the guts.

I agree - they both have a spiteful, grudge-nursing trait - and don’t give a damn who they hurt.

H definitely favours the Spencersr in looks too. All that rubbish about James Hewitt - couldn’t people see that all Diana’s siblings were redheads?

Didn't Diana say that Harry was her ginger Spencer?

Pinkbox · 18/09/2026 16:48

I am no fan of the King (or monarchy in general) but found the fact he went to Paris to accompany Diana’s body home painted a picture very different to relief. Respect maybe, duty to his sons maybe.
I assume there was no protocol for him to do that following their divorce but he did. This we have proof of, not the phone call and I don’t personally think both could have happened in this way over the same few days.

JustAnotherWhinger · 18/09/2026 16:51

Andylion · 18/09/2026 16:36

Any chance you could fix the typo in your post?

I’ve reported the post to do so.

sorry

JustAnotherWhinger · 18/09/2026 16:56

It is quite interesting that Earl Spencer is implying that there could have been something between his father and the then Princess Elizabeth because his father’s previous engagement to Lady Anne Coke (who became Lady Glenconner, close friend of Princess Margaret) was ended by his grandfather because he didn’t like that the Coke’s had some “mentally defective” distant cousins. Those cousins were first cousins to Elizabeth and Margaret.

Maybe it wouldn’t have been such a stumbling block if it involved a marriage to the future Queen!

upinaballoon · 18/09/2026 17:01

Charles Spencer has spoken to the BBC, 5 p.m. radio news.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 17:08

Pinkbox · 18/09/2026 16:48

I am no fan of the King (or monarchy in general) but found the fact he went to Paris to accompany Diana’s body home painted a picture very different to relief. Respect maybe, duty to his sons maybe.
I assume there was no protocol for him to do that following their divorce but he did. This we have proof of, not the phone call and I don’t personally think both could have happened in this way over the same few days.

That was very moving. My impression and feeling (just an impression, not saying I know) is that Charles felt deep guilt at the time, and also heartbreak for his two sons.

I’m sorry - to suggest he was elated and hissing is totally incredible to me.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 17:09

upinaballoon · 18/09/2026 17:01

Charles Spencer has spoken to the BBC, 5 p.m. radio news.

I wish a journo would track down his many discarded wives, partners and children and get a character description from them.

AgathaDanbury · 18/09/2026 17:13

JustAnotherWhinger · 18/09/2026 16:56

It is quite interesting that Earl Spencer is implying that there could have been something between his father and the then Princess Elizabeth because his father’s previous engagement to Lady Anne Coke (who became Lady Glenconner, close friend of Princess Margaret) was ended by his grandfather because he didn’t like that the Coke’s had some “mentally defective” distant cousins. Those cousins were first cousins to Elizabeth and Margaret.

Maybe it wouldn’t have been such a stumbling block if it involved a marriage to the future Queen!

I suspect that it wasn't unusual for men of Earl Spencer's age and social class to tell stories about how they might have married the Queen. However, I don't think that it signifies anything more than that she had a limited number of options, so those men that could perceivably make the list thought they were in with chance.

RepercussionsMayVary · 18/09/2026 17:16

Ferriswheel101 · 18/09/2026 16:29

Watching everything unfold, I’m really starting to see strong similarities between Harry and his uncle, Charles Spencer. They both appear quite hot-headed, inflexible, and struggle to forgive, holding onto grudges for years. There also seems to be a shared sense of paranoia regarding the media and outsiders. I wonder if these are Spencer specific traits or just a coincidence....

More likely got those traits from his own mother who displayed many unhealthy emotional behaviours.

Callipygion · 18/09/2026 17:31

spreadandsprinkles · 18/09/2026 16:23

Even if KC was giddy with excitement on her death, which I seriously doubt, he would not have showed that to her brother. He is not stupid. Also, Diana was mother to his children, whatever you think of him he does love them.
Earl Spencer is an odious creep grifting off his dead sister.

I agree with this.

I don’t like Spencer, I think he was a hypocrite with the speech he gave at the funeral about looking after “blood family”. After the divorce I remember Diana wanted to move back into Althrop and he was having none of it.

EasternStandard · 18/09/2026 17:33

Ferriswheel101 · 18/09/2026 16:29

Watching everything unfold, I’m really starting to see strong similarities between Harry and his uncle, Charles Spencer. They both appear quite hot-headed, inflexible, and struggle to forgive, holding onto grudges for years. There also seems to be a shared sense of paranoia regarding the media and outsiders. I wonder if these are Spencer specific traits or just a coincidence....

And they both like to heavily monetise family relationships and put cashing in over privacy.

HoppityBun · 18/09/2026 17:44

I admired his speech at Diana’s funeral. I think both of them had a particularly damaging childhood. It’s notable that his two other sisters keep quiet.

I wonder if the respect and praise that Spencer received for his autobiography A Very Private School, persuaded him that he should carry on and publish more. He did a podcast with Richard Coles and, like Diana, he seems to have developed a weakness for publicity.

To paraphrase Clement Attlee, a period of silence on his part would be welcome.

noonames · 18/09/2026 17:46

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 16:04

Yeah this is horrible. If I make a mistake I own it.
Meanwhile there are some posters here who continually post misinformation or comments with errors and never ever own up to it.
I try to be accurate and engage honestly.
You just make personal attacks, like this one.

Well this has aged like milk since you started the inappropriate photo op thread and then disappeared when everyone put you straight.

piscofrisco · 18/09/2026 17:59

Does the book cover how he had refused to let his sister live at Althorp when she wanted somewhere to stay and how they weren’t talking at the time of her death? He didn’t treat Diana (or lots of other people in his life by all accounts) too nicely either.
The whole Lot of them are rotten (except for Kate because I love her).

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 18:01

It's all rather distasteful isn't it. Charles S may get a few headlines and some money out of this but I'm long run I believe he is harming his reputation. I'm surprised by how little support he is getting online and how few believe what he is saying. I assume it's because we all saw photos of Charles when he flew out with Diana's sisters. We all know that they were getting on better as co parents. Charles S is trying to completely change the narrative 30 years later with things that would have leaked by now if they were true and which run counter to everything we saw and heard. Few seem to be buying what he is selling.

As the palace said "grief can cloud".

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 18:02

piscofrisco · 18/09/2026 17:59

Does the book cover how he had refused to let his sister live at Althorp when she wanted somewhere to stay and how they weren’t talking at the time of her death? He didn’t treat Diana (or lots of other people in his life by all accounts) too nicely either.
The whole Lot of them are rotten (except for Kate because I love her).

The story he refused to let her stay is false, he went to court over it. It's true though that before her death Diana had fallen out with most of her relatives.

fluffiphlox · 18/09/2026 18:03

I’m not sure that Charles Spencer is a particularly nice person.

stillavid · 18/09/2026 18:04

I hope Charles Spencer has kept his nose clean over the years because you know the press are going to be speaking to every ex and all of this children etc over the next few days

Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 18:04

Viviennemary · 18/09/2026 14:17

Buckingham Palace have said they won't be commenting further on the book. But I expect plenty of others will be and it's not even published yet so I started this second thread. I really liked Diana and thought she got treated shabbily by Charles. But really writing a book of gripes 30 years later is not on imho. I noticed on the news Harry declined to comment on it. Sensible decision for once.

Spencer doubling down on what was said. Good for him. I believe him. Shame on Charles. Always thought as much.

piscofrisco · 18/09/2026 18:06

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 18:02

The story he refused to let her stay is false, he went to court over it. It's true though that before her death Diana had fallen out with most of her relatives.

Someone should tell Jenny Bond then-she said that was what had happened on five live yesterday 🤷🏽‍♀️

foxylady2 · 18/09/2026 18:06

Latest drop from the DM .

A day or two before the funeral I was driven by a friend from Althorp to the Chapel Royal, a small, historic place of worship that stands across the road from St James’s Palace in London. This was where Diana’s coffin was placed in the days between its arrival from Paris and the night before her final service. I had come to sit with Diana, alone.
Dappled sunlight from the high stained-glass windows played across the coffin that both formed the focus of the room and presented me with the stark evidence of Diana’s death.
I sat down lightly beside it and began to talk to my sister for some time, expressing love and grief, and making promises on her behalf. After a short while, I remembered that I had my eulogy in my pocket, and it occurred to me that I should read it to her.
‘I stand before you today…’ I started, while in fact remaining seated beside Diana’s body, and carried through to the end, when I proclaimed my deep pride at being her brother.
The chapel’s stillness seemed to lift at that point and, though this was early September, with the tail-end of summer still in the air, I sensed that I heard a loud swirling, like a brisk autumn wind lifting and twisting dry fallen leaves. In that moment, when fantasy surely took hold of my overloaded senses, I felt that Diana was applauding my words, with soft insistence. This imagining gave me hope that I was indeed going to say what she wanted me to say when the time came.
On the day of the funeral, I woke early after a fitful sleep, and was driven to St James’s Palace, where the funeral procession would set off. I had had no contact with Prince Charles since hanging up on him after he had disrespected Diana and disparaged our family’s sense of duty.
As I was ushered along corridors to meet him, I spotted William and Harry in a side room, with its large television on. I thought how very unsettling it must be to watch the preamble to your mother’s funeral on TV and was impressed, for the first of many times that day, by my nephews’ apparent composure at such an impossible time.
I was shown into a sitting room where Prince Charles was seated, alone. He was polite and formal. Neither of us mentioned our phone call altercation. It was as if we had not seen or spoken to one another for an age. We talked about other matters – how my mother and elder sisters were coping, and the beauty of the weather that morning. That sort of thing.
At last, it was time to head downstairs, and out into the waiting world. Suddenly, I was outside St James’s Palace, knowing that Diana’s coffin would soon appear.
Prince Philip was there, his usual gruffness replaced by a calm and quiet kindness. He was clearly determined to help his motherless grandsons in their walk to the funeral, and he did so with grace.
Prince Charles tried to take charge, having seemingly thought hard about the formation that the five of us chief mourners would adopt behind Diana. When he said, ‘Now, I will walk in the centre, with William on my right and Harry on my left’, Prince Philip overruled him, in an even voice that closed down any possible dissent.

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