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Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.

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BasiliskStare · 18/09/2026 13:13

I know there is a thread about the theft of some pre publication editions of this book.
This thread is more by way of a book club discussion about the actual book , the text. Threads will go where they will , but my intention is this is more for me to give my opinion on the book and for others who read it or are interested in the book to join in. I have pre-ordered from Kindle (half price otherwise I may not have 😊) But is only available on September 22nd. So a holding place if you like.

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JustAnotherWhinger · 22/09/2026 11:58

Pipedreams607 · 22/09/2026 11:49

I found this article in The Guardian from 2002 but it refers to a “new” rape allegation so I’m confused now… how many were there exactly?

It also refers to a culture of bullying at the Palace.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/09/monarchy.jamiewilson

The one from 2002 was a second one I believe. George Smith was who said he’d saw Charles and the staff member in the compromising position also said he’d previously been raped by another staff member.

This is from when he died and kinda outlines the whole thing I think

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/royal-rape-claim-valet-dies-aged-2385072?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Royal 'rape-claim valet' dies aged 44

WELSH former royal servant George Smith, who claimed he was raped by one of Prince Charles's close aides, has died, his father said last night.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/royal-rape-claim-valet-dies-aged-2385072?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Pipedreams607 · 22/09/2026 12:02

RepercussionsMayVary · 22/09/2026 11:50

Thank you for adding another layer. I don’t have a problem with revealing her problematic drinking - likely born from being thrown in the path of her hideous violent drunk husband from the age of 15. It helps to understand what Diana was also dealing with - an emotionally unavailable mother thru trauma and alcohol and physically as she was not in the home or even anywhere nearby for visiting. No idea how often she would have seen her. A very derelict emotional childhood experienced by Diana left her with little foundational security for what was to come.

Yes, agree absolutely about providing context for Diana’s insecurities.

I mind that Piers Morgan likes to say how he was in contact regularly with Diana’s mother but then at the same time betrays that contact.

And let’s not forget that being rejected and betrayed so profoundly by her husband, and being pressured to keep quiet about that, even after children were on the scene, can’t have done Diana’s mental state any good at all. Most of us would suffer in those circumstances and she did well to carry on as well as she did.

HolidayHideaway · 22/09/2026 12:02

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 11:13

Been down a Diana rabbit hole last few days. Read The Housemaid’s Diary (Wendy Berry) one banned here, published in US. She was the Highgrove housekeeper at the height of Chuck n Di arguing. (Found it online as a free pdf)

Then after that read Ken Wharffe’s book, Di’s protection officer over a number of years.

One common theme I got from this is that Diana sure needed a lot of mollifying and calming, both books mention throughout that she was in floods of tears, seemingly on a daily basis. Prone to temper tantrums.

We all know that Charles is prone to tantrums and petulance, they were never going to work well even if all the other stuff aligned. (Well he loved another woman and Diana was a teenager when they got married which is ick.)

They are/were both dysfunctional people. Their great wealth and entitlement, however much good works Diana did, doesn’t make them particularly lovely people, particularly to each others and those whose employment relied on keeping in their favour. Wharffe was employed by Scotland Yard so had a buffer. Berry got on ok with both but Diana was very cruel to her personal dresser. Very mercurial in mood.

Plus the extra maritals. Diana thought she had found a Prince straight out of Cartland books. So you can excuse her I guess once she knew her OH had used her. But she then did the same to Oliver Hoare’s wife, who stamped on her hard when she got the police involved - Wharffe confirmed that happened.

You probably all know this, but I didn’t!

Berry’s book v tame relatively speaking - yet provoked a nuclear reaction. My main takeaway was the waste (!) new furniture and unwanted gifts straight into a room sized incinerator. Also plane/heli jaunts only for Q’s fave chocs to Balmoral.

Diana sounded like she had BDP - although of course no one can diagnose. If accurate the dresser episode extraordinary! And why was Diana so incensed by SF’s inoffensive book re: her & borrowed shoes. If she reacted like this to minor indiscretions…

cheezncrackers · 22/09/2026 12:21

TypingTootOnMyCommute · 22/09/2026 09:26

The Times review has merely confirmed to me that CS is just a very bitter man taking a pop at the RF under the pretence of writing about something different.

See also Harry and Spare.

The Telegraph review is equally scathing. This is the title:

Charles Spencer’s book isn’t about Diana. It’s a monument to his ego
At last, Swan Song is here. But while the Earl’s attacks on the King are one thing, his self-obsession and pomposity may appal you more

Pipedreams607 · 22/09/2026 12:28

JustAnotherWhinger · 22/09/2026 11:58

The one from 2002 was a second one I believe. George Smith was who said he’d saw Charles and the staff member in the compromising position also said he’d previously been raped by another staff member.

This is from when he died and kinda outlines the whole thing I think

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/royal-rape-claim-valet-dies-aged-2385072?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Gosh George Smith died so young. Really sad. He served in the Falklands and was ordinarily cheerful and well liked,

I hadn’t realised that he had worked at the palace for nine years. That length of service would lend him some credibility I would imagine?

Reading this gives me an uncomfortable feeling and I wonder why no one is talking about it more?

It also makes me feel uncomfortable when I read that the investigation was carried out by Sir Michael Peat by the palace on behalf of the palace.

This is pure speculation ob my part but Sir Michael Peat seems to have investigated quite a few things on behalf of his employer with the outcome of “nothing to see here”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/mar/13/monarchy2

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/77/0121812.htm

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2003/03/13/pow.pdf

https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/11/12/britain.royals/

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11900582.wrong-inquiry-wrong-issue-investigation-into-royals-was-flawed-from-the-outset/

Findings of the Peat inquiry

Sir Michael Peat's inquiry into allegations of misconduct in the Prince of Wales's household made these findings:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/mar/13/monarchy2

JustAnotherWhinger · 22/09/2026 12:38

Pipedreams607 · 22/09/2026 12:28

Gosh George Smith died so young. Really sad. He served in the Falklands and was ordinarily cheerful and well liked,

I hadn’t realised that he had worked at the palace for nine years. That length of service would lend him some credibility I would imagine?

Reading this gives me an uncomfortable feeling and I wonder why no one is talking about it more?

It also makes me feel uncomfortable when I read that the investigation was carried out by Sir Michael Peat by the palace on behalf of the palace.

This is pure speculation ob my part but Sir Michael Peat seems to have investigated quite a few things on behalf of his employer with the outcome of “nothing to see here”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/mar/13/monarchy2

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/77/0121812.htm

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2003/03/13/pow.pdf

https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/11/12/britain.royals/

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11900582.wrong-inquiry-wrong-issue-investigation-into-royals-was-flawed-from-the-outset/

The rape allegations were looked into by the police as well as Peat.

I think the lack of talk is probably to do with not wanting to say anything bad about a man who was very clearly very very troubled.

George Smith’s allegations didn’t hold up and his decision to sell a story, then offer to sell a completely contradictory story for the money just made him not remotely credible for future things. They couldn’t write anything else really.

Its a very sad story that he was so badly traumatised in the Falklands and then died so young.

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 12:58

According to Ken Wharfe he said Diana had a strong relationship with her mother and he wasn’t sure why it was reported that they were not close. Diana often visited her with the boys in Oban.

It was reported that (according to KW) that there was another wrong report - that her mum called her a whore for having romances with muslim lovers. He said that was being confused with Diana’s maternal grandma who was instrumental in getting Diana and Charles together (with Queen Mum) but who felt that Diana had let the side down. Diana once visited the queen with leather trousers on and her grandmother saw her at the time and berated her snd called her a strumpet. (I love that word!)

Diana didn’t like the two marriage brokers, her grandmother and Queen Mother - this is also from Ken W. With regard to QM she used to gleefully plan her funeral outfit for when QM died. As it happens she outlived Diana.

JustAnotherWhinger · 22/09/2026 13:13

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 12:58

According to Ken Wharfe he said Diana had a strong relationship with her mother and he wasn’t sure why it was reported that they were not close. Diana often visited her with the boys in Oban.

It was reported that (according to KW) that there was another wrong report - that her mum called her a whore for having romances with muslim lovers. He said that was being confused with Diana’s maternal grandma who was instrumental in getting Diana and Charles together (with Queen Mum) but who felt that Diana had let the side down. Diana once visited the queen with leather trousers on and her grandmother saw her at the time and berated her snd called her a strumpet. (I love that word!)

Diana didn’t like the two marriage brokers, her grandmother and Queen Mother - this is also from Ken W. With regard to QM she used to gleefully plan her funeral outfit for when QM died. As it happens she outlived Diana.

I think that also ties in with her will.

An amendment was made in 96 when Patrick Jephson stepped down as private secretary he was replaced as one of the executors of her will. He was replaced by Sarah McCorquodale.

Her mother was the other executor and wasn’t replaced, and she was also named as one of the guardians for Diana’s sons. So her relationship with her mother couldn’t have been horrific at that time or she would have replaced her whilst sorting the replacement for Jephson.

BasiliskStare · 22/09/2026 13:25

OK , I have read the book. Quickly I would add , hands up this is my first impression of it ( I won't remember every bit) and you may be going down a vortex of Unreliable narrators (me) reading about another unreliable narrator (CS) recollecting in some instances what his sister said to him (perhaps another UR)
I've looked at the Times review and think that is good.

It won't surprise anyone that the attention grabbing , more salacious things are in the DM excerpts. The way the book is structured , there are more family oriented pieces interspersed with him finding out about her death , arrangements for the funeral, his tribute at the funeral and the actual burial.

If you take the book as a whole the accusations against KC and the palace are relatively short. He also recalls when D&C came to visit Althorp and the security guards made a mess of the house he was living in whilst his father was alive , KC wrote him a very kind letter. He also say he thought the Queen's speech on the eve of the funeral was well judged.

What does come across though is there is no love lost between him and the RF - especially KC. Part of this might be explained by he is obviously intensely proud of his Spencer lineage.

More so is his contempt for the tabloid press.
There is a very interesting section where he outlines writing his eulogy and the bits he took out or altered. Some are stylistic. Some , I think , had he left them in , would not have made that speech redolent of the moment , but made him seem a (in Malcolm Tucker's words) , a nutter. But he has worked as a journalist and presenter on NBC so he knows what speech writing is about.

There are scant footnotes and most of those to me seem like explanation for a US audience - eg explaining Fleet St use to be the home of newspapers.

Regarding his childhood , he remembers a much more loving childhood that Diana has told of - he actually said re Andrew Morton's book , he does not recall crying in a way that Diana described when she wanted to go to him in the night.

There are some better bits I think about their childhood at Park house.

Is this CS's wanting to put his side of the life of Diana - I am sure it is to an extent. Diana though , doesn't really come through as much as I had hoped. A story of a man who feels the responsibility of a lineage , determined to protect that , with a global superstar ( almost his words ) as a sister , yes.

I did say I had to go out this afternoon and I do , so those are my quickly rattled down thoughts to be getting on with.

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smilesy · 22/09/2026 13:31

BasiliskStare · 22/09/2026 13:25

OK , I have read the book. Quickly I would add , hands up this is my first impression of it ( I won't remember every bit) and you may be going down a vortex of Unreliable narrators (me) reading about another unreliable narrator (CS) recollecting in some instances what his sister said to him (perhaps another UR)
I've looked at the Times review and think that is good.

It won't surprise anyone that the attention grabbing , more salacious things are in the DM excerpts. The way the book is structured , there are more family oriented pieces interspersed with him finding out about her death , arrangements for the funeral, his tribute at the funeral and the actual burial.

If you take the book as a whole the accusations against KC and the palace are relatively short. He also recalls when D&C came to visit Althorp and the security guards made a mess of the house he was living in whilst his father was alive , KC wrote him a very kind letter. He also say he thought the Queen's speech on the eve of the funeral was well judged.

What does come across though is there is no love lost between him and the RF - especially KC. Part of this might be explained by he is obviously intensely proud of his Spencer lineage.

More so is his contempt for the tabloid press.
There is a very interesting section where he outlines writing his eulogy and the bits he took out or altered. Some are stylistic. Some , I think , had he left them in , would not have made that speech redolent of the moment , but made him seem a (in Malcolm Tucker's words) , a nutter. But he has worked as a journalist and presenter on NBC so he knows what speech writing is about.

There are scant footnotes and most of those to me seem like explanation for a US audience - eg explaining Fleet St use to be the home of newspapers.

Regarding his childhood , he remembers a much more loving childhood that Diana has told of - he actually said re Andrew Morton's book , he does not recall crying in a way that Diana described when she wanted to go to him in the night.

There are some better bits I think about their childhood at Park house.

Is this CS's wanting to put his side of the life of Diana - I am sure it is to an extent. Diana though , doesn't really come through as much as I had hoped. A story of a man who feels the responsibility of a lineage , determined to protect that , with a global superstar ( almost his words ) as a sister , yes.

I did say I had to go out this afternoon and I do , so those are my quickly rattled down thoughts to be getting on with.

Thank you @BasiliskStare. It sounds
a bit like “Spare” - good in places with the occasional wtf? moment and not really doing what it says on the tin ie setting the record straight 🤷‍♀️

bluegreygreen · 22/09/2026 13:43

Thank you @BasiliskStare.

Good to have your thoughts on the book as a whole.

Any further insights would be great, when you have had time to mull over it.

MrsLeonFarrell · 22/09/2026 13:48

Interesting summary. The Guardian review ends with this

"The king is peevish all the way through and Spencer is peevish right back at him. You come away feeling the pair thoroughly deserved each other. And in the middle Diana, 30 years dead, frozen in time and – as she ever was – at the mercy of other people’s interpretations."

It seems to reflect what you are saying. This is not a book about Diana, it's about Charles S.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · 22/09/2026 13:59

I thought that it would be more about him than her.

Well well well.

CrowOfTheAutumn · 22/09/2026 14:10

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 11:13

Been down a Diana rabbit hole last few days. Read The Housemaid’s Diary (Wendy Berry) one banned here, published in US. She was the Highgrove housekeeper at the height of Chuck n Di arguing. (Found it online as a free pdf)

Then after that read Ken Wharffe’s book, Di’s protection officer over a number of years.

One common theme I got from this is that Diana sure needed a lot of mollifying and calming, both books mention throughout that she was in floods of tears, seemingly on a daily basis. Prone to temper tantrums.

We all know that Charles is prone to tantrums and petulance, they were never going to work well even if all the other stuff aligned. (Well he loved another woman and Diana was a teenager when they got married which is ick.)

They are/were both dysfunctional people. Their great wealth and entitlement, however much good works Diana did, doesn’t make them particularly lovely people, particularly to each others and those whose employment relied on keeping in their favour. Wharffe was employed by Scotland Yard so had a buffer. Berry got on ok with both but Diana was very cruel to her personal dresser. Very mercurial in mood.

Plus the extra maritals. Diana thought she had found a Prince straight out of Cartland books. So you can excuse her I guess once she knew her OH had used her. But she then did the same to Oliver Hoare’s wife, who stamped on her hard when she got the police involved - Wharffe confirmed that happened.

You probably all know this, but I didn’t!

I wonder if Spencer’s book will open the floodgates to a whole new (very judgemental) generation realising that Diana was stark raving bonkers and pretty manipulative with it. And which similarities Harry is really seeing in Meghan’s persona.

This is all the sm armchair psychologist’s dream.

OneLilacHedgehog · 22/09/2026 14:25

CrowOfTheAutumn · 22/09/2026 14:10

I wonder if Spencer’s book will open the floodgates to a whole new (very judgemental) generation realising that Diana was stark raving bonkers and pretty manipulative with it. And which similarities Harry is really seeing in Meghan’s persona.

This is all the sm armchair psychologist’s dream.

Yep I know the or from the palace has always been to paint Diana as the crazy ex wife.
Bonkers? Someone obviously has not been influenced by the mental health campaigns.

ShamedBySiri · 22/09/2026 14:25

RepercussionsMayVary · 22/09/2026 11:50

Thank you for adding another layer. I don’t have a problem with revealing her problematic drinking - likely born from being thrown in the path of her hideous violent drunk husband from the age of 15. It helps to understand what Diana was also dealing with - an emotionally unavailable mother thru trauma and alcohol and physically as she was not in the home or even anywhere nearby for visiting. No idea how often she would have seen her. A very derelict emotional childhood experienced by Diana left her with little foundational security for what was to come.

Charles Spencer posted this picture on his Instagram.
According to him it shows how passionately in love his parents were.

I think to the modern eye it suggests something different. My own DH has never held me like that.

Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.
diddl · 22/09/2026 14:29

I think to the modern eye it suggests something different.

Not sure if even to the modern eye.

I would say he looks pissed, disinterested & possessive & she looks trapped & as if she is pleading for help!

I think most women would if held like that!

fuschiaproudparrot · 22/09/2026 14:31

That's very likely @CrowOfTheAutumn. I saw someone on here saying Diana was considered the original influencer by some young people today ( not sure how true that is ) but the sources about Diana were limited in those days due to the lack of social media. Now everyone and their dog has an opinion and can put it out there and yes she may well be dissected and harshly . However the interest in her ? While it's making headlines currently it will die off. She's been dead for nearly 30 years. To many she is as relevant as Wallis Simpson was to me growing up.

ShamedBySiri · 22/09/2026 14:32

I do think CS may come to regret this book. As per the Times review about opening up an age old feud between the Montagues and the Capulets it will have wider ramifications across the family.
His sisters seem to have successfully maintained relationships with both boys despite the William/Harry fall out. They have remained silent. We don’t often hear about their children, cousins to W&H but I note Laura Fellowes (Jane’s daughter) is Godmother to Princess Charlotte.
Then there is the issue of CS not being on good terms with his children from his first marriage to Victoria Lockwood. I wonder what they all think about this, bearing in mind they would have been very young during Diana’s life.

fuschiaproudparrot · 22/09/2026 14:33

ShamedBySiri · 22/09/2026 14:25

Charles Spencer posted this picture on his Instagram.
According to him it shows how passionately in love his parents were.

I think to the modern eye it suggests something different. My own DH has never held me like that.

Now that is one creepy photo. It's almost like it's him and Diana 😬

fuschiaproudparrot · 22/09/2026 14:36

BasiliskStare · 22/09/2026 13:25

OK , I have read the book. Quickly I would add , hands up this is my first impression of it ( I won't remember every bit) and you may be going down a vortex of Unreliable narrators (me) reading about another unreliable narrator (CS) recollecting in some instances what his sister said to him (perhaps another UR)
I've looked at the Times review and think that is good.

It won't surprise anyone that the attention grabbing , more salacious things are in the DM excerpts. The way the book is structured , there are more family oriented pieces interspersed with him finding out about her death , arrangements for the funeral, his tribute at the funeral and the actual burial.

If you take the book as a whole the accusations against KC and the palace are relatively short. He also recalls when D&C came to visit Althorp and the security guards made a mess of the house he was living in whilst his father was alive , KC wrote him a very kind letter. He also say he thought the Queen's speech on the eve of the funeral was well judged.

What does come across though is there is no love lost between him and the RF - especially KC. Part of this might be explained by he is obviously intensely proud of his Spencer lineage.

More so is his contempt for the tabloid press.
There is a very interesting section where he outlines writing his eulogy and the bits he took out or altered. Some are stylistic. Some , I think , had he left them in , would not have made that speech redolent of the moment , but made him seem a (in Malcolm Tucker's words) , a nutter. But he has worked as a journalist and presenter on NBC so he knows what speech writing is about.

There are scant footnotes and most of those to me seem like explanation for a US audience - eg explaining Fleet St use to be the home of newspapers.

Regarding his childhood , he remembers a much more loving childhood that Diana has told of - he actually said re Andrew Morton's book , he does not recall crying in a way that Diana described when she wanted to go to him in the night.

There are some better bits I think about their childhood at Park house.

Is this CS's wanting to put his side of the life of Diana - I am sure it is to an extent. Diana though , doesn't really come through as much as I had hoped. A story of a man who feels the responsibility of a lineage , determined to protect that , with a global superstar ( almost his words ) as a sister , yes.

I did say I had to go out this afternoon and I do , so those are my quickly rattled down thoughts to be getting on with.

Interesting . Thank you.

ShamedBySiri · 22/09/2026 14:38

diddl · 22/09/2026 14:29

I think to the modern eye it suggests something different.

Not sure if even to the modern eye.

I would say he looks pissed, disinterested & possessive & she looks trapped & as if she is pleading for help!

I think most women would if held like that!

I was aiming for an understated comment.

I could compare him to the revolting Jamie Blandford, 12th Duke of Marlborough who is being prosecuted for strangulation of his ex wife, among other things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd9zv78dqzgo?app-referrer=deep-link

Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.
Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.
JustAnotherWhinger · 22/09/2026 14:38

ShamedBySiri · 22/09/2026 14:32

I do think CS may come to regret this book. As per the Times review about opening up an age old feud between the Montagues and the Capulets it will have wider ramifications across the family.
His sisters seem to have successfully maintained relationships with both boys despite the William/Harry fall out. They have remained silent. We don’t often hear about their children, cousins to W&H but I note Laura Fellowes (Jane’s daughter) is Godmother to Princess Charlotte.
Then there is the issue of CS not being on good terms with his children from his first marriage to Victoria Lockwood. I wonder what they all think about this, bearing in mind they would have been very young during Diana’s life.

The Fellowes children lived at Kensington Palace as their father had a grace-and-favour home while he was working for the Queen. Alexander Fellowes went to Eton at same/similar time to William and Harry (he is between them in age). So it seems they would have crossed paths regularly, even if only for small contact, even when their mothers weren’t on speaking terms.

fuschiaproudparrot · 22/09/2026 14:40

Diana's Mother also had a house in Falkland in Fife in Scotland as well on the island . Diana and the boys visited her there regularly. Diana's Mother just pottered about in the village - no fuss.