Ham pr disasters 40! ..the 40 by 40 anniversary edition!

[jeffgoldblum]

Still interested, still not bored!

I am really interested in discussing these … would you be up for sharing on a designated thread or even DMing?

I find the claims that he was "delighted" offensive in the extreme. You're right, he was clearly devastated.

I think, if the valet story is anything to go by, one of the perhaps unintended consequences of the book might be that people think - now we know where Harry gets his sense of the dramatic and his tenuous grip on reality. I mean that’s right up there with my mother was basically murdered and the establishment wants harm to come to my family imo.

To get back on track again rather than that bloody book of which I have no interest reading or hearing about! Hence I’m on the HaM thread!!

What are people’s opinions on why a billionaire, who in the past has been so very careful with his own privacy, would support The HAMs?

I don’t find it believable that he is trying to disrupt the monarchy and as a PP pointed out, who would use PH for that? He’s hardly reliable.

But what the hell is in it for him?

I remember she did a deep bow when Diana’s coffin passed the gates of BP. it said a lot to me and I appreciated the gesture. Meanwhile Princess Margaret stood ramrod straight and couldn’t have been anymore disrespectful if she’d tried.

I’ve no idea and couldn’t care less. Harry and Meghan are for sale. End of.

Thanks again @bluegreygreen , @BemusedAmerican and @Puzzledandpissedoff , I’m embarrassed to admit I didn’t know there was so many new threads! , that will teach me to only look at watching and threads I’m on!
and worse ….i fell asleep in the chair reading one and have just woken up! 😁

That's a very measured comment, @BasiliskStare.

The DM are clearly going to serialise the most sensational parts. However, from my perspective, assuming that what they have printed is contained in the book as printed, he has lost considerable credibility on 3 counts:

1 Highly unlikely comment attributed to KC3
2 Father wanted to marry Elizabeth but 'warned off' by Mountbatten - dates don't add up
3 Diana deciding to divorce because Charles 'in love with valet' - they had been living separately for years before the Queen told them to divorce, so how would she even know, assuming this were true? He's clearly just decided to drag up an old story.

I think, rather than this being a tribute to Diana or speaking about Diana in an 'openly positive way' as he claimed in the pre-publication interview, he is using it to score points. Unfortunately some are falling for it.

Sorry @PlotTwistPending - crossposted.

Will try not to derail further.

I’m wondering about that appearance of the Irish Guards - that’s the PoW’s regiment isn’t it? I wonder if they asked or whether there might be repercussions.

Stay. You’d miss me too much if you left.

Ps - This last week I’ve been thinking of you everyday - are you a farmer and did you really make your own goats cheese.

Exactly. Harry definitely has that problem. What was it CS said about Diana? She had a kind of persecution complex and couldn't take any criticism at all, just saw it as an attack. Just like Harry.

Yeah X isn’t happy about the Irish Guards!!

Judging by the comments, I am seeing on social media, I think this has backfired on CS. Anyone who was around when Diana died could see how upset C was. I was quite shocked as I had never seen him display much emotion before. It was clearly genuine. It has been documented that C disagreed with HMQ about how Diana’s death should be handled. A flipping movie has even made about the events of that week! He’s probably done KC a favour as people have a great deal of sympathy for him.

And Ingriftus is H’s shield. Without it he would be (even more) lost.

I truly think that the only people who still like either of them are those who have not followed the facts and therefore hold uninformed opinions.

My father in law is one such. He said to me that he thought the RF probably was racist to M because Prince Phillip had a history of making non pc remarks.

When I showed him evidence of just a few of the things H&M have said and done (which are facts from their own mouths, not just speculation) and the amount KC spent on M’s clothes, the patronages given by the late Queen etc etc he was aghast and has completely changed his view.

Re the billionaire disrupters - follow the money. Money can always be made more easily in times of chaos.

Just watched Tom Bower online - he was on a UK news show. They played a CS interview with CNN from the time of Diana's death. Back then CNN was a very respected news channel in the US. CS told the interviewer that he and KC were getting on well during the funeral planning and events. He sounded calm and believable. The news panel contrasted this nearly 30 year interview with the book.
They were also dismissive about the valet story.

Im hoping the valet makes a statement 😁

When I eventually saw the shindig mentioned in a paper today it was lunchtime and the article was placed halfway down the page.

@bluegreygreen and others who have expressed an interest. I have started a thread re CS's book. So if people are interested in discussing the actual book rather than age old arguments - here it is. Just to note the book is not available until Sept 22nd but I have pre-ordered it on Kindle.

I've set it up early in case it helps point people who want to comment on the book itself in a different direction other than this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5579838-discussion-about-charles-spencers-book-swan-song-diana-my-sister-beautiful-beloved-hunted

I’m curious as to why they were chosen for the gig. Were they requested by Harry or was it their turn to do an engagement.

@BasiliskStare I agree with your measured approach but I also think that the things that have been serialised already are undermining any credibility the rest might have.