Harry and Meghan have removed Archie and Lilibet from school after two days

[MinnieMounjaro]

Breaking news in the Daily Mail. Duke and Duchess of Sussex's children 'removed from school after two days' mol.im/a/16130877 via https://dailym.ai/android

I do wonder if there is actually any school that will be able to meet their expectations in regard to security. I'm interested to see how it all plays out.

Honestly, it was very stupid of him to take part in that doomed case against ANL. I'm not a fan of the Mail but I am getting a bit tired of people saying "Well if it's in the Daily Fail" or "Did you read that in the Daily Heil" as an easy way to dismiss it when a case designed to trash the paper's methods just got thrown out so completely. And having pissed the press off so thoroughly with absolutely no victory, of course the papers will now be very much on the case. Free press does include papers you don't like and when you try and fail to curtail them, they'll make the most of that.

It was a bad move.

I cannot comment on what "many monarchists want". I suspect they are not a hive mind.
Some monarchists support H&M because they are royal, and don't question their privilege and behaviour, and don't believe in accountability.
Others would seem to defend them, no matter what.

Those of us who question the monarchy also have the temerity to question H&M.
They're like 18thC royals, determined not to be accountable and just bolstering their wealth and status.

What on earth makes you think that the posters criticising ham are monarchists?
have they told you?
did you do a poll?
you know what they say about assuming things .

Realistically they will have had a number of potentials. If first choice was one involving a congested school run they may have been ill advised to try it. Perhaps the kids were wrung out by the traffic delays as much as fears the family might get spotted or potentially pursued (more likely by foreign press rather than uk paps). Is that not H deepest fear? Hopefully the new school will have a more relaxed school run even if perhaps a lower profile Prep. There are plenty of options around the Cotswolds and I doubt any head would not find spaces given the chance, or they may have held a number of places just in case.

I’d put money on it.

Summary of the Saga of H&M:

H is eaten up with jealousy of William.
M ditto re Catherine.
They learn (H didn’t dare tell M himself…) that W&C would always take precedence however much cute simpering M did.
They decide to flounce off to the US where they plan to jolly well show those stuffy, trapped royals how it’s done.
They sell out their families for dollars.
Things start to go downhill…their salacious gossip is their only USP. No-one cares.
They decide to come back to that dreadful, racist Salty Island for another go at being royal, which now doesn’t seem so bad after all. And..what have they done wrong, anyway?
KC tells them they’re on their own.
They decide, since they can’t join them, that they’ll become massive thorns in the side of the RF.
And here we are.
Make it stop!🤮

Such a lot of weird shit going on this with this pair. None of it makes any sense and it seems most people want them to shut the fuck up and live quietly. Which was what they claimed to want. I used to really like them and celebrated their wedding. Now I cannot stand the constant lies and whinging. Anyone who gets involved with them in any way is mad.

That’s not what Münchausen syndrome means.

It's also a great pity that Diana declined security for herself, which may, or may not have been a factor in H's mind, that spurred on his later demands that he and his family receive paid for security.
If Diana had had security with her, they would not have let her get into a vehicle driven by a driver who had a blood alcohol level that was 3X over the French legal limit.
The basic safety feature of fastening one's seat belt though, and choosing not to, would have been down to contributory negligence on Diana's part.

Perhaps the kids were wrung out by the traffic delays as much as fears the family might get spotted or potentially pursued (more likely by foreign press rather than uk paps). Is that not H deepest fear?

I would say his 'deepest fear' is realising he's not that important. Certainly he doesn't seem all that terrified over his children's security, or he and his wife wouldn't have made such a major move into a chaotic rush job.

And these days children don't get 'pursued' by photographers. That sort of thing has been frowned on for decades now.

I ask again: How did they manage the school run in California? Nobody has been able to tell me why it's so incredibly dangerous for them in the Cotswolds, but California was fine?

Emotionally....maybe?

the public perception is this is an unhealthy dynamic for children to be in im not alone in thinking this at all

All the medical evidence is that she would have survived if she had been wearing a seatbelt.

Exactly this. Those poor kids.

@ThatCyanCat

I'm not a fan of the Mail but I am getting a bit tired of people saying "Well if it's in the Daily Fail" or "Did you read that in the Daily Heil" as an easy way to dismiss it when a case designed to trash the paper's methods just got thrown out so completely.

Indeed.
One of the first replies to a thread with the breaking news of the Lord Chamberlain's letter was:

The Mail. That famous paper of record.

Well, yes.
It was acting as a "paper of record" and it was reporting the news accurately
It shows it's as inadvisable to discount everything from one source as it is to believe everything from another.

It’s an article of faith for some people that Diana was killed by the RF - if not directly, in a literal sense, then through their negligence and abandonment.

This lie is absolutely pernicious and is easily refutable. Diana was convinced by the heinous Martin Bashir that royal security was spying on her, so she ditched it, put her trust in one of the sleaziest families on the planet, who put her in a car driven by a drunk man and urged to speed by her dodgy boyfriend.

That’s what happened, but try telling that to some people.

My dc school used to publish a list of kids attending the school in a diary then suddenly stopped from this September. It’s a private school in Oxfordshire but otherwise doesn’t fit the profile but who knows would be great if the sussexes arrived

Why on earth would they publish children's names like that?! Dear lord, have they no idea about Safeguarding and Child Protection? 😱

Why would it be great?

I don't have any opinion on the Sussexes, but I have lived in and around Oxford for decades and, if the rumours are correct about their chosen school, I have a lot of sympathy with their issues with the commute and safe access. That part of town is notoriously awful for traffic and has a very high concentration of schools, making the school run beyond painful.

It is also in a rather tricky location with regard to exit routes - I would not want to have to remove a high-profile target from that area at speed in an emergency - there are very limited access routes and these are often heavily congested. If the decision to move was recent, it is possible that their security detail did not have the opportunity to assess the route/contingency plans during the school rush. The area is very much quieter when schools are closed - resembles the Hunger Games during term time. I can see how the reality of the situation may have dawned on everyone on day one.

They also have the option of lots of lovely, rural Prep schools nearer their home and which are likely to have much simpler access arrangements - some of the more remote ones will have multiple points of access to the grounds which could be used discreetly for anyone with a security concern - and could be used to evacuate at speed. I know it sounds ridiculous to most of us, but Harry has been subject to threats from hostile actors - they do have to consider, and plan for, the worst-case-scenario, no matter how indulgent it looks (I work in the security industry - access routes are a key vulnerability for any target and when you are committed to regular routine arrival/departure times and one point of exit, you increase the risk significantly).

I feel for them - it must feel awful to make such a big decision for your family and then have to change it so quickly.

Perhaps you should have a listen to yesterday's Woman's Hour on R4 which discusses in detail the use of medical terminology and self diagnoses which are often wrong and cover up ordinary regular everyday issues.

This. She relished the game of cat and mouse as well.
For Harry to deploy those old accusations is ignorant and foolish.

I ask again: How did they manage the school run in California? Nobody has been able to tell me why it's so incredibly dangerous for them in the Cotswolds, but California was fine?

I agree with this.
I don't like to think this, but it does seem that the couple are using the children's current and supposed vulnerability in going out to school as a leverage to gain paid for security in the UK.
They had security in California, but it was paid by them.
Of course schools are not safer there than in the UK, but in the UK, they feel they have a chance of having security paid for.
They are not behaving privately, they are right on the edge of being very public about their children.

They prefer to keep the children's faces away from the camera, but are not as careful about keeping their location private.
Foolish? I think so, when we know other members of the RF are living quietly and discreetly and are not actively seeking outside attention, as that is the hallmark of the RF, but definitely not H&M's way, and this is a large part of the problem.

Didnt realise it was that unusual. Just class name and the kids in that class. It was in a diary given to all pupils and parents

That part of town is notoriously awful for traffic and has a very high concentration of schools, making the school run beyond painful.

A big 'convoy' is surely making it all even more painful for everyone else.

I feel for them - it must feel awful to make such a big decision for your family and then have to change it so quickly.

You 'feel' for them? Why? They had all the time and resources in the world to plan this trip carefully. Why the mad rush job? And why tell the world about it if they're so concerned about security?

I admire the royal family, including Harry/megan even though they are outcasts somewhat