PR disasters thread 32

[BigWillyLittleTodger]

Yet another new thread for more Sussex shenanigans!

They may have had no option but to be magnanimous, smiley
I've mentioned this before, but after the racism allegations (and especially after naming Charles and Catherine) I expect they'd have been asked where their proof was, and if they didn't have a good answer there may have been consequences the rest of us won't know about

The degree she claims she has is not actually studied in her university. All buried

Come again, @Starryfifty? Are you sure?
I haven't seen this said before but am always happy to learn

After reading the many post on MM ‘shortcomings’ this morning l then hit upon this gem of a post.

And, I would now like to declare I think Meghan is equally as horrible a human being as Harry. Like really does attract like doesn’t it!
She is an arrogant, self aggrandising gold digging bully. I also suspect she’s wanting as a mother -we will have to see over the next few months how much time she spends with two small children who have been removed from everything and everyone (pretty much) that they knew. I’ll give my opinion on her mothering skills atChristmas.
It's always nice to have something to look forward to!

@Hostamenace689 - do you get paid in money or fruit spread for your posts?
You might as well piss in the wind as you won’t change our collective views on here.
Nice of you to do a full list of everything she did but that only amounts to 83 engagements. So just over 4 per month. Hardly staggering is it? Especially considering her clothes cost the Prince of Wales well over £1million during that period.

having encountered dreadful racism in the British press

Which 'unfortunately' was not bad enough to stand up on its own in that section of the Oprah interview - instead, the section about the 'racist UK media' showed headlines of UK papers altered to make things appear worse, and US and Australian tabloid headlines mis-sold as UK ones.

https://archive.is/UbXdH

@Puzzledandpissedoff

”Norland nannies are very "high status", and while that would doubtless appeal to H&M it also means they'll get the pick of jobs and might not consider these two ideal employers”

This.

Oh so much this.

I don’t think it’s helpful to be so unnecessarily unpleasant in replies, nor am I in the habit of pissing in the wind 😀 except occasionally when out on very long country walks, so I am not going to comment on this post.

Oh Ngozi Fulani - the liar. Bit of a grifter too wasn’t she?

Yes, we remember her. 🙄🙄🙄

It’s well documented that some of the traditions of the RF are fossilised and outdated given the late Queen’s long reign and KC3 not a young man himself and not a moderniser.
But that's not Meghan's concern. Yes, I don't think many people would disagree with you that modernisation was/is is order after the record-breakingly long reign of Elizabeth II. But it's got to evolve, not happen overnight, and in any case, why would it be the business of the latest person to join the institution? In any job I've had I've had my own thoughts, yes, but I've watched, listened, learned and waited before I open my big mouth to tell more experienced people where they're going wrong. Sure, some things might have been outdated, but what I'm saying is, it's not really for newbie Meghan to start chirping about them even before she's officially joined the RF..

Why Is it so outrageous to suggest that the RF were a bad fit for Meghan and vice versa? Why is the fault all hers?

Same as above really. It's bad manners. You don't walk into someone's home and start telling them their decor is old-fashioned or that the place smells and can they get some scented candles in, do you?

The fault isn't all Meghan's. It's very largely that of her idiot husband. He should have put her in the picture before their marriage. There are only 2 possible reasons he didn't and neither of them show him in a good light

1. He was too cowardly because previous gfs had run away, dreading the life they'd have in the RF. It was selfish and cowardly of H to dodge this vital issue with the woman he claimed to love.
2. He was so thick that either he didn't understand himself how things would work (M having to defer to Catherine etc, having to observe dress codes) and there's some evidence for that, or that he considered he and M were just so utterly marvellous in every way that all would fall before their feet in grateful thanks and they'd be able to have their way about everything.

But I don't think it's the RF's fault in this case. The possibility of having a mixed-race woman join them was a really positive one and I think they tried to do all they could to make it work. They knew it would be a great PR opportunity and make them more interesting to BAME people in the UK and elsewhere. It wasn't M's ethnicity which was the problem - it was her difficult personality and her very quarrelsome family background.

And yet you did. 🤷🏽

No, I mean she’s an egomaniac hustler who lacks the smallest modicum of class or common sense. Hope that clarifies things for you.

HaM were also very stupid to conflate any remarks about skin tone with what they saw as the withholding of securidee and titles normally due to their children.

Either very stupid, or devious and shit-stirring.

You are missing my point. They were magnanimous in their attitude towards Lady Susan, who had publicly demonstrated her dubious grasp of what was acceptable with her hair touching etc, but made no comment at all following the accidental “leak” of who the alleged RF racists we’re. So why was what Lady Susan given a pass by them because , old, but not the elderly King and a cancer survivor who are only “alleged” to have said something racist?

“Either very stupid, or devious and shit-stirring.”

Both. But devious and shit stirring should be first @shockthemonkey 😉

Oh dear. Whatever 🙄

I agree with that. If H was my family member and had been a lovely guy, this sudden change in his behaviour when he got into a relationship would have worried the hell out of me. I would actually make a point of maintaining some contact to make sure he was ok. He must have always been a bit of an entitled arse.

A familiar response. 🤔

Agree with you on all points @CoffeeCantata .

I don't think there are many who would disagree that there probably needs to be some modernisation - but there are ways of doing things in a thousand-year-old organisation.

We also know that they previously had a Maori person marry into the extended family, and have two half-Maori grandchildren who appear at family events, so there is experience within the wider family of dealing with different cultures.

I was just wondering what your real thoughts were ! , thanks for clarifying 😁
may I add …liar and bully .

Yes, that lady was a bit of a mischief maker.

I'm not defending anyone touching someone's hair - that was not on: agreed.

But she went in traditional African dress, having changed her run-of-the-mill English name to a traditional AFrican one. Of course an elderly courtier might be forgiven for assuming she'd come from afar.

I'm not denying that Lady Hussey, bless her, probably needed to be pensioned off - it's a rare 84 year old UP person who is up to speed with (I'm sorry - I don'[t know how else to describe it...)'woke' ideas. But I think everyone involved, including H & M, thought she meant well. I think the problem was she had persisted in asking Fulani where she came from, and when she said something like 'Camberwell', she couldn't believe it.

I read an article about this incident (with transcript of part of the conversation) and the journalist got it right, I think. Lady H's fault wasn't based on racism but more accurately on 'classism', in that her insistent, repeated demands to know the answer to her question were rather 'de haut on bas', and probably forged over many years of having to make conversation with random members of the public. I'm sure she's one of those old UC people whose heart may be in the right place but her approach is no longer acceptable in the 2020s.

Why Is it so outrageous to suggest that the RF were a bad fit for Meghan and vice versa?

Personally I don't find that outrageous at all, @Hostamenace689 - in fact I think it pretty obvious that someone from Meghan's background would struggle to fit in with them and they with her

FWIW I don't believe she had the least intention of staying and think that the narrative she built was largely intended to secure the outcome she got, but even if I'm completely wrong there it doesn't change the fact that she willingly rushed into what was always going to be a complex situation without any apparent willingness to learn, and her fool of a husband abetted her

And no, after all the palace's cover-ups I wouldn't necessarily trust a word they say either, but didn't Harry suggest that in leaving they wanted a truer, more authentic life?

And yet they've told provable lie after lie after lie

There's a lot of re hashing of very old ground today. To be expected I suppose.

It did bring up one thing I've never really thought about before. Meghan said that the only thing she asked about Harry was "Is he kind?"

Who actually replied yes? And when it did it occur to Meghan that they were lying? It's pretty clear from everything he has said since he left palace PR behind him is that the last thing Harry has ever been is kind.

I wonder if the RF have been quietly grateful to the ‘Actress’ for whisking him away in a puffy flounce of his own petulance.

Not for any other reason.

Just that.

Well it wasn't obvious to me. I've been on MN decades and have met up with many people from MN, both intentionally and non-intentionally, including several who frequent the RF boards.

I just don't understand the relevance of you saying "I know who you are"? in that post. Please can you explain.

Let’s not forget she is the female equivalent of Nelson Mandela too, as demonstrated by the universal dancing in the streets when the people heard she was marrying into the RF.
(or so she says)

Nope.

Dancing in the streets.

Nope!