PR disasters thread 32

[BigWillyLittleTodger]

Yet another new thread for more Sussex shenanigans!

That's not 'on behalf of the UN'.

The word salad 'speech' was delivered on behalf of herself. Meghan has never represented 'the UN' and therefore could not speak on 'behalf' of it.

I think it’s hair splitting to say that they never asked for “privacy” per se. Harry certainly gave the impression that he wanted to avoid all press coverage, not limited to the British Press. He also did say that they wanted to keep their children out of the limelight and give them a “normal” upbringing. Meghan clearly did not share this view but she obviously wanted to control their coverage and limit it to what she found acceptable. Harry seems to have also adopted this view over time. And anyway, if they wanted to avoid the “toxic” British press, why have they come back?

eta for clarity I mean inference is as important as actual words and to say they didn’t use those words is hair splitting. Meghan never actually said that the RF were racist, but boy did that one run. Calling for accuracy over inference is to deliberately ignore a very important way that humans communicate

I wasn't talking about what she knew or didn't know. I was talking about her confidence in being interviewed. They are different things.

Was there a time when Meghan said that she'd show the Royal Family how to do it or was it a case of lots of newspapers praising her up and saying that she'd revitalise the RF et cetera? Again, there's a difference. I can believe that she came to believe it herself, but did she actually say that, herself?

Those who find fault with H and M have enough real events to go on without being unfair because they are being swayed by what the papers say and not what H and M actually said or did.

She didn't have to be 'demure'. That's your word!

And I don't believe for a second that she had the gravitas you ascribe to her. Remind me again how she came to be making speeches to the UN? Genuine question - I've forgotten. But she was very keen to scarper once UN Women, in their blue uniforms, appeared while she was visiting the market in Fiji - clearly something made her unwilling to meet them.

If you can tell me what her credentials were for her much-talked-about UN and other activism, I'd be interested to hear, because nothing that woman has said or done to my knowledge makes here worthy of admiration.

I think she's a self-serviing self-promoter. Causes are only a means to personal gain for Meghan. Happy to be proved wrong if you have more info.

Might just be my algorithm but I’m seeing an awful lot of negative media coverage from US pundits too.

She's an actress. It seemed fake to me - someone acting the role. She didn't need to be 'demure', but the simpering and glib answers were a bit schmaltzy for my taste.

It's always, just always word salad, isn't it? I'd love to stop her and say 'Meghan - can you explain what you mean by 'letting women find their voice', for example? How does it relate to your bullying several women out of their jobs and making all your employees sign NDAs? How do those things tally? Do tell.

I hope that by now everyone on this board knows the real deal with her washing-up liquid story? It's a typical example of Meghan's self-promoting, very casual relationship with the truth. In case there are still some who believe she was a pre-teen feminist, here goes.

The whole class watched an ad for washing up liquid which had a sexist tone. They discussed it as a class and then had to write to the company (detergent co or ad agency - not sure) an individual letter of complaint. So all the kids did this exercise. Because M's dad was a lighting/cameraman he came into school and filmed some of them (mainly M) talking and reading out their letters.

This morphed in M's memory to quite a different story in which she herself, of her own volition and independent mind, was highly offended by a sexist ad and took it upon herself to write to the relevant people. It's part of her self-aggrandising origin story and I honestly think she's come to truly believe her own BS.

Tell us how you really feel Daisy

It wasn’t that Meghan had to be bashful, humble, self-effacing etc etc

But in marrying Harry she was also taking on a JOB. I have never burst through the doors of a new workplace and started shooting my mouth off about changing things. One might have a jolly good idea that things could do with a shake-up, but a watching brief at first might be the best policy. And it was the royal family , with centuries of traditions, not Acme Screws and Widgets Ltd.

She could have made so many positive contributions but no, it was all about her and being A Big Star.

Not just about her being A Big Star, it seemed to me that she wanted to be THE Big Star.

Her husband to be should have told her its all a game and to play her part as instructed. That way they can all continue to be fabulously wealthy without much input. However they stupidly rocked the boat and capsized. Harry is so bloody thick it's scary.

@upinaballoon This news page gives some references that may answer some of your questions (sorry I can't archive it)

PH asking for privacy

It's worth pointing out that the first black and white photo shown from their Netflix trailer is a behind-the-scenes photo from Buckingham Palace.
That caused some upset, as it's from an area where the public are never permitted, so was not only a breach of the Queen's privacy (they were walking to meet her), but is also a security breach.

There was a particular moment when my loathing for Meghan began. It was when W&C, M and H were on stage as the so-called 'Fab Four'. Catherine (in a blue dress if you remember) was heavily pregnant. She was speaking, making a contribution to the discussion (despite obvious discomfort). Meghan stared at her, then dipped her head with a sneer on her face and shot the sneering look over to Harry as if to say 'listen to her, what an idiot'. It was such a revealing moment and so indicative of her character. Truly appalling behaviour. Go back and watch it and you'll see what I mean. I've loathed her ever since.

You've put it brilliantly. That's what I was trying to say!

It's not about being 'demure'. It's about not being arrogant and patronising.

She behaved like the smug, over-confident intern who tells everyone in the organisation that they're doing it all wrong after one day in the job.

Sensitivity, humility (in the sense that she might have to listen to advice and have a lot to learn, nothing to do with being a woman) and some indication that she knew what she was getting into would have come over better.

A successful actress ………..

The only professional acting role I’ve seen Megan in was where she was bobbing her head up and down in someone’s lap like one of those nodding dogs ornaments we had in our cars years ago. It wasn’t a good look and if that’s success I’m glad I’m a failure.

And regards to your use of the term ‘demure’. Mumsnet is the last place you’d find women wanting other women to be demure and I think you’ve confused it with people not liking to see someone so much in love with herself on their TV screen and a general wish for her to have been less out there and full of herself whilst sharing a stage with others.

I remember this as H was just as sneering.

Huge amount of let's say, fabrications with MM which have all been buried. The degree she claims she has is not actually studied in her university. All buried. Too many to mention

And the dress, chosen by M for the event, had cost Charles nearly £50K. Can you imagine? She really thought she'd won the jackpot, and to be honest, she sort of has. She won't be waiting at tables or working in a call centre ever, will she?

I can distinctly remember the comment made about ‘hitting the ground running’. Yeah well, she must have fallen over her own feet because she’s flat on her face now.

The list of porkies is very, very long. No wonder Thomas Markle was eliminated and Doria kept on the shortest of leads at the wedding.

Yes. I think she had Catherine in her sights well before she even met her. There were several reasons why Catherine had to be 'dealt with'.

a) she is married to the future king. Nothing M could ever do would mean she could walk in front of Catherine at public events.
b) she's a very different character to M - not naturally confident at public speaking or public appearances and because she understands that it's not the role of the RF to blather on about their own opinions, she keeps her mouth mostly shut.
c) and perhaps most crucially, Harry adored Catherine in the pre-Meghan days, calling her 'the sister I never had'. It would only take H to relay this opinion to M for M to decide 'She must DIE!' Perhaps he said something like 'I can't wait for you to meet Catherine - you'll love her, she's a wonderful person!' or similar for M to be completely infuriated.
d) Meghan thought that the RF was a popularity contest. If she made her speeches and simpered,always finding the camera (which royals are not supposed to do) at every event, the public would just adore her and she and Harry would become the 'top royal couple'. No, M, it's a hierarchy.

You only have to watch the way she manhandles other people when in a photo line-up (usually to ensure she's front and centre) to see what a controlling person she is.

Not to mention her pawing of Harry. I'm sure they have a signal system, designed by Meghan, for various messages such as 'I'm bored, let's go'. 'Move along, Harry, and stop talking to this boring random' or 'let me to the front', 'now hush up and give me the mic!' So back rubs, shoulder touches, arm grasping, hand holding...and he'd better obey the 'aids' ,as horse riders would call the use of physical prompts!!! 😂 Maybe she should just give him a bridle/bit and reins, and have done with it.

The engagement dress. Diana and Kate both had off the peg outfits from Harrods and (I think) Whistles which cost about 300 - 500 pounds each. And funnily enough they both still looked far better and more fitting to the new roles in their life than Megan ever has. A silk purse and a sows ear springs to mind.

She praised her father in that speech to the UN in 2015.

The half brother and sister have pulled her up on many lies and BS

@CoffeeCantata - she most definitely has a whip!

The Hand pressing down is so controlling. There’s a Lifestyle woman I look at (enviously) on YouTube. I’ve noticed that whenever her dh chips in with something a similar suppressing Hand darts out…