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The royal family

PR disasters thread 25

166 replies

BigWillyLittleTodger · Yesterday 13:24

The Montecito diaries continue……..will it be Balmoral or bust?

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CormorantWings · Today 11:12

Bobbbb · Today 11:12

Whose kids are competing and who put them all in that position? What do you think that they are they competing for and when have you witnessed this?

The tit for tat 'you post this so we will post that ' is very obvious .

SheinSussex · Today 11:18

bluegreygreen · Today 09:59

I think that's the first birthday photo in a suit - a subtle welcome to the grown-up George?

I read that as the first birthday suit

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StartupRepair · Today 11:23

@PullTheBricksDown I love Gone with the Windsors. It's a brilliant satire on the Windsors' massive entitlement.

Starryfifty · Today 11:24

ShamedBySiri · Today 11:12

If Harry had shown any interest in farming/organic farming/country life he would definitely have been gifted a country estate like Highgrove/Gatcombe when he married. They could have lived quietly in the country and gently opted out of WRF except for big events like Remembrance weekend and TOC etc. He could have been a voice for farmers similar to Clarkson. But they weren't interested and didn't want that - I think they rented somewhere in the Cotswolds near the Soho house place but it didn't last long, they didn't like it. Of course it goes without saying that's not what Meghan would have wanted. I think if Harry had been developing those interests pre-Meghan he would have ended up with a different wife and his life would have followed a very different (and altogether more peaceful) course.

It's incredible really, given the wide interests of his family, the opportunities open to him, how he has ended up ignorant of and disinterested in practically everything you could think of.

People talk about Africa, and how he once talked about living in Africa, but he just wanted the old colonial style of Africa life. Ben Fogle Lives in the Wild Season 17 episode 7 featured a British couple who have set up a safari park in Zambia. Their resilience in the face of many difficulties and dangers is incredible - definitely not the life for me! And it wouldn't be the life for Harry either - he wants a Happy Valley style of life, plenty of servants, social life, big game, occasional white saviour involvement in some low effort (for him) scheme or another.

I just have no idea how they are going to occupy themselves for the next 30-40 years. They can't live a life of cosplay royals, being a constant thorn in the side and nuisance to William, a drain on the RF finances due to their big spending and inability to fund it, living on the internet looking for perceived slights and insults to clap back at. And apart from all the nastiness and bitterness, the harm they have done to the family, to let them back in - I just think aside of not trusting them, they must just be Sooo boring, totally tedious to be around. They are never going to be back in the heart of the family for that reason as much as for everything else.

HAM only want fame / publicity. They don't care how the get it. What would really benefit them is if they took a year or 2 out. Kept their heads down but unfortunately they won't. He came across as totally obnoxious on James Corden and the last podcast. He has zero warmth / charisma/ personality. However, maybe this new "lad Harry" is his way of replacing Global Statesman which would be best laid to rest

Morelovelyandtemperate · Today 11:46

DancingFerret · Today 10:56

The implication was unintended.

If his Apache instructor said he could fly, then I think we can assume Harry could fly! Filming of him would have stopped because the one holding the camera would have been heading for cover away from the chopper taking off. It gets quite dusty at those times in the desert.

KimWexlersPonyTail · Today 11:49

I predict that at some point in the not too distant future they will do a Big Reveal of the HAMlets; it's all they have left unless they can get some much needed RF adjacentcy/HIHO

Starryfifty · Today 11:53

KimWexlersPonyTail · Today 11:49

I predict that at some point in the not too distant future they will do a Big Reveal of the HAMlets; it's all they have left unless they can get some much needed RF adjacentcy/HIHO

Yes. That's inevitable

CormorantWings · Today 11:54

Starryfifty · Today 11:24

HAM only want fame / publicity. They don't care how the get it. What would really benefit them is if they took a year or 2 out. Kept their heads down but unfortunately they won't. He came across as totally obnoxious on James Corden and the last podcast. He has zero warmth / charisma/ personality. However, maybe this new "lad Harry" is his way of replacing Global Statesman which would be best laid to rest

Maybe she is trying to keep her head down and that's why she didn't appear in the UK. I think the laddish Harry has definitely replaced 'philanthropist ' Harry. He still thinks he knows best about every subject under the sun though, and has the right to lecture all and sundry.

Starryfifty · Today 11:56

I think the kids big reveal was planned by HAM in UK recently but the ANL result put a spanner in the works. I imagine they want to do a faux royal walkabout like the Wales and their children

ForAmberPoster · Today 11:57

DaisyDooley · Today 09:52

He’s a lovely looking boy -with his grandmothers hair too.
Let’s hope he hasn’t inherited the bald gene from the Windsors!

I don’t know why some see it as ok to comment and joke about baldness in men. It’s a part of the aging process and can be hard for some men to deal with. I know a couple of women who experienced thinning hair and they found it very distressing - I doubt joking about that would be tolerated.

Recklessismymiddlename · Today 12:04

garlicandsapphires · Yesterday 21:21

Err that is a bit ‘reckless’, @Recklessismymiddlename Pretty bloody horrible too, even if he’s a knob.
Its a myth that people who threaten suicide never act on it.

That’s what dh called me, and where my name comes from. But I know my cousin, very well. Everyone treads on eggshells and I’ve seen the devastation he causes, to my aunt, uncle and even my now deceased grandmother and my parents, never mind his wife and dcs. Someone had to call him out on it. Yes it was risk, but a calculated one. It paid off and he no longer makes the threats, as often, but he’s still ever the victim and blames everyone but himself. I called him out on that too.

I see Harry similarly in the ever victim mode not saying he’s ever threatened suicide, it’s the victim mode and not taking responsibility that is similar. it’s bullying and emotional abuse pure and simple.

MrsLeonFarrell · Today 12:05

Starryfifty · Today 11:56

I think the kids big reveal was planned by HAM in UK recently but the ANL result put a spanner in the works. I imagine they want to do a faux royal walkabout like the Wales and their children

The only walkabout the Wales children do regularly is the Christmas one. Unless the Sussex children join in with that one there is no royal pattern of the children of minor royals meeting the public. It's very strange that Harry seems to want that life for his children.

notimagain · Today 12:09

DancingFerret · Today 10:40

I confess to being sceptical about Harry's ability to actually pilot a helicopter - mainly because I've never seen any footage of him in the air actually flying. There are any number of interviews with people who say he's a good pilot (Apache instructor for one), but that's it.

During William's stint as a search and rescue pilot there was a clip of him clearly flying and in control of an airborne craft. There are also reports from members of the public who recount being surprised to find themselves being rescued by PW.

Most people have probably seen Harry being interviewed in Afghanistan for terrestrial TV when he interrupts it, dramatically pulling off his microphone and running towards a helicopter in response to a "shout". The footage then cuts to him in the pilot's seat, helmet on, fiddling with the overhead controls, but stops short of the craft leaving the ground with him flying it.

The RF's clearly very talented (and imaginative) PR team played an absolute blinder to portray an entitled, not-too-bright and boorish character as a loveable good-hearted mischief maker. His popularity ratings pre-Meghan were right up there with the late Queen and Prince Philip.

A serious question: Is Pilot Harry just another facet of the Happy Hero Harry created by the RF's PRs?

My consistent take on this is that I've seen enough of how mlitary flying training works (both as a student and as an instructor) to find it hard to see how H could have cheated the system and been snuck through somehow, and I've also heard reports for a couple of those around Shawbury at the time he was there that he did OK...

However unless a lot of his post army activities have been hidden he did it just long enough to tick box labelled "helicopter pilot just like brother but unlike him I went to war.." then he seesm to have dropped flying...so no recent pictures.

He now lives in one of the easiest places on earth to get/maintain a basic recreational licence but it does need effort. Given there's no real public sign (e.g. on SM) of him doing so I suspect he maybe can't be arsed...

Compare with W who at least having left the military did put the effort in to do a mil to civilian transition to get the commercial licence and ratings needed for the Air Ambulance job he held for a while.

" serious question: Is Pilot Harry just another facet of the Happy Hero Harry created by the RF's PRs?,"

I think that's quite possible but it doesn't mean he couldn't fly a helicopter.

StrawberryWasp · Today 12:12

Meghan could have seriously developed an interest in the garden.
Their garden is gorgeous and I could happily occupy myself daily absorbed in that.
But it would take hard work, and lots of learning, failing, and honesty.

Instead she just wants to sell us a perfect image of her in her garden. Looking gorgeous wafting about with posed bunches of flowers or veg.

Nothing real about it. Obviously no genuine depth to her interest. So inauthentic.

It's the same with her 'cooking', everything is so superficial, it's obvious this isn't a real consuming passion it's just a vehicle to promote herself.

StartupRepair · Today 12:24

If it doesn't play in your zone - cooking is her love language, there is talk of flower sprinkles and her children love Brussels sprouts.

Starryfifty · Today 12:25

StartupRepair · Today 12:24

If it doesn't play in your zone - cooking is her love language, there is talk of flower sprinkles and her children love Brussels sprouts.

I actually couldn't stomach this. How did she get this gig ???

AnAutumnCrow · Today 12:27

StrawberryWasp · Today 12:12

Meghan could have seriously developed an interest in the garden.
Their garden is gorgeous and I could happily occupy myself daily absorbed in that.
But it would take hard work, and lots of learning, failing, and honesty.

Instead she just wants to sell us a perfect image of her in her garden. Looking gorgeous wafting about with posed bunches of flowers or veg.

Nothing real about it. Obviously no genuine depth to her interest. So inauthentic.

It's the same with her 'cooking', everything is so superficial, it's obvious this isn't a real consuming passion it's just a vehicle to promote herself.

She wants to be admired for what she looks like.

He wants to be admired for being born a prince.

The few skills they ever learned by working at them (some acting and helicoptering) they let fall away. Bloody bizarre that they then mock others with real achievements, skills and expertise, but perhaps it’s jealousy and envy of others’ staying power and depth. They find it psychologically easy to mock, but impossible to admire.

Tiddlywinks63 · Today 12:28

Starryfifty · Today 10:11

No depth at all and I recall her saying H has a "child like wonder" . An utterly bizarre statement to say about your 40 year old husband.

It makes him sound utterly gormless, like he’s emotionally and intellectually retarded ……🤔

DancingFerret · Today 12:28

Tiddlywinks63 · Today 12:28

It makes him sound utterly gormless, like he’s emotionally and intellectually retarded ……🤔

If the cap fits...

Tiddlywinks63 · Today 12:30

DancingFerret · Today 12:28

If the cap fits...

I didn’t want to say that but it definitely fits!

Starryfifty · Today 12:30

Tiddlywinks63 · Today 12:28

It makes him sound utterly gormless, like he’s emotionally and intellectually retarded ……🤔

That's what I thought. Is that the best she could come up with? Oh and a fox 😆

Starryfifty · Today 12:35

AnAutumnCrow · Today 12:27

She wants to be admired for what she looks like.

He wants to be admired for being born a prince.

The few skills they ever learned by working at them (some acting and helicoptering) they let fall away. Bloody bizarre that they then mock others with real achievements, skills and expertise, but perhaps it’s jealousy and envy of others’ staying power and depth. They find it psychologically easy to mock, but impossible to admire.

This. If h had any intelligence/depth, he'd realise that his brother's life is no walk in the park. PW will be a very young King. The prospect must give him sleepless nights. He's probably concerned for his 3 kids. His eldest has huge responsibility. Will his other son and daughter struggle, etc. also, will his wife's cancer come back ?

At times, I would imagine William is envious of Harry's position

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · Today 12:53

Without wanting to belittle pilots in any form, being a pilot doesn't require you to have good emotional intelligence and it doesn't require anything above a "high average" of 110 IQ.

It requires above average degree of motor skills and processing skills, and above all the necessary training and sustained experience.

This applies to the vast majority of skills that anyone on the higher side of average can do. I do not know how to crochet because I haven't learned to crochet. I didn't pass an A Level maths exam because I never studied or took the exam. I am very competent at my professional specialism because I apply myself to it.

It's what you do with the raw ability that matters.

As it happens, I have a genius level IQ. Pushing 160. But I don't particularly apply it to genius level problems. Frankly, genius can run you into trouble sometimes, and due to past experience I'm done with trouble. The smartest thing I've done with my life is avoid trouble, and I'm not really ambitious. I'm quite happy thriving in my little corner of the world without acclaim or some megabucks salary.

Harry thinks that he deserves all the acclaim based on a) who he was born, b) achievements from years ago and c) things he was heavily supported with.

BasiliskStare · Today 12:54

I agree with @notimagain What I know about flying any sort of aircraft you could write on the back of a postage stamp , but I can't see that H wouldn't have properly passed his flying training for the military . Even if you are "just" a co-pilot I assume you need to be able to fly the thing if circumstances dictate. Never mind about H , are the army going to let someone else go up with someone who isn't properly qualified?
Whether he's kept up flying since then , different matter.