Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

[Viviennemary]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

Persuasion works best on the weak minded!

I'm sorry for what you went through 💐. You're absolutely right, though. Those children deserve better than that whining petulant fool.
Good points.

She reeled him in 🎣

Agreed

Dare I say your description of the ideal role model sounds like William would be a better fit 😱

💐 for you @DJPJ and a very un Mumsnet ❤️

noonames ! I was thinking exactly the same as I was reading too! 🤣

William would definitely be a better role model.

covert narc?
Otherwise I agree with your post 100%

I mean, given she never has shown the kids faces properly ....might be surprise surprise....since Williams ones are so gorgeous

If you know you can’t buy the police it makes absolutely no sense then in asking

Thank you for this

If H doesn't come this summer, I wonder if it's time for a new Invictus Patron who can inject a bit of energy into promoting the Games instead of complaing about his own security. Seems awkward to have a Patron who may not even attend the Games when it's being held in Birmingham in 2027 if he can't resolve the issue. The will they/won't they isn't good for Invictus. Maybe it's time for someone a bit more focussed on the IG to become it's patron. Someone popular with the military - one of the Tindalls?

I actually thought his coming over was to mend some bridges before IV. It would be much better if other members of the RF attended and attract more money/attention.
I think I may have said it before but his behaviour makes me think he doesn’t really care about it at all. The participants must be seeing that. They should stay away and make their feelings known - although H would blame that on security issues.

You can buy The Police on Spotify I think. I’m not sure if they’re still available on vinyl. Roxanne was always overrated but Message In A Bottle is a classic.

Didn't W's new bestie Taylor effectively buy a top notch police cavalcade with free concert tickets for Starmer et al?

Guess it depends who's wearing the shabby raincoat and flashing covetable goodies.

Thanks for that promp - on reflection def overt narc:

Overt Narcissist
Expression: Loud, arrogant, boastful
Anger: Outbursts, rage, direct bullying
Manipulation: Domination, gaslighting, threats
Social Style: Extroverted, socially dominant

Covert Narcissist
Expression: Insecure, shy, victimized
Anger: Passive-aggressive, silent treatment
Manipulation: Guilt trips, playing the martyr
Social Style: Introverted, socially anxious

What on earth are you talking about? Seriously?

TS apparently threatened to cancel her concerts unless provided with police outliers, bells and whistles.

It was well documented as a controversy at the time given the beneficiaries of her 'hospitality'.

variety.com/2024/music/global/taylor-swift-police-escort-uk-government-explainer-1236178345/

TS had genuine security threads. Not imaginary ones. The only people who make decisions about security are the Met and the Counter Terror Squad. Take it up with them. I don't know their email address, but you could contact your MP.
UK protection is not up for hire.

No RAVEC made the assessment that she needed security for that specific concert date as a result of the credible terrorist threat that lead to the cancellation of the Vienna tour dates, which immediately preceded that London date. I elect they also took into account what had happened at the Ariana Grande concert and at Southport. Like any other individual who was the subject of a credible threat, Taylor received security for that specific time period. She doesn't usually receive armed police security in the UK.

Harry in contrast wants armed security when he visits because of who his Dad is. That is not deemed by RAVEC as a sufficient threat to warrant it.

TS had genuine security threads. Not imaginary ones.

So not really necessary to go ahead with her UK concerts then?

Very brave of her to carry on and perform without making a huge fuss don't you think?

No.
The Met decided she and her fans needed protection.

Thank you. Why do some posters not understand the basics about protection?
Weird.

Bitter about the Kelce brothers having William on their podcast which aired today?

Ah. Of course.
A successful podcast for William. It must burn if you think Harry should be the Heir! 🤣🤣