Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

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Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

I am (almost) sure I read this same point made by Tom Sykes (but not in that blistering article in the Daily Beast - might have been on X, at the same time).

He explained that, when an operational note like this comes out, the established norm is that you treat it as a reliable source, a sincere statement of intent. And you base your copy on it.

An operational note, in other words, is very different from a conversation with a "source".

So H&M have abused this process, and the journalists are mad. Not just because they have egg on their faces. Not just because H&M lied that they hadn't heard the RAVEC decision when they sent out the note (even thought the note addressed it). But because they blew up an established journalistic protocol, they didn't play by the rules.

Rules are for everybody else to play by.

But offering to pay for something you know can’t be bought is an empty gesture. The only option for the security he wants is that it is tax payer funded. The Met are not for sale. So his offers to pay are empty and meaningless.

and it is a moot point.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/prince-harry-duke-of-sussex-police-protection-DWzY8D_2/

“The Duke of Sussex has been told it is not “appropriate” to allow wealthy people to “buy” armed police security - after a ruling that he couldn’t have the ‘same degree’ of protection after stepping down as a working royal.”

Actually, Harry’s offer to pay was a deeply cynical ploy to make him look less grasping.

The Mail on Sunday reported at the time that it wasn’t true that Harry had offered to pay, and Harry promptly sued them for defamation and then brought an application to get their defence (that this was the truth) dismissed. Mr Justice Nicklin who considered the application had this to say:

I consider that [the Mail on Sunday] has a real prospect of succeeding in demonstrating also that an honest person could have held the opinion that [Harry] was responsible for attempting to mislead and confuse the public as to the true position (and that this was ironic given that he now held a public role in tackling “misinformation”)…

My immediate impression was that the Mail was alleging that Harry was guilty of “spinning” facts to his advantage… Having now seen the sequence of events, in my judgment, the Mail does have a real prospect of demonstrating that an honest person could have held the view that this was precisely what was being done on Harry’s behalf.

Harry immediately withdrew his defamation case after this ruling.

Not that anyone cares, but I do feel sad for Harry.

He just seems so confused. It’s not hard to imagine that he desperately wants to take Archie and Lilibet home for a visit. Alternatively, I can’t imagine that Meghan has any real intent of stepping foot on Salty Island.

The bar of being treated like royalty was likely set for him by Meghan.

The mechanism of trying to use the press and public opinion has been her MO from the moment she told a report that no one asked her how she was doing. She was caught out trying to “pull at the heartstrings”.

It looks like he's been set up to fail.

The amount of frothing at the mouth insanity about this family, I’d want the highest security possible as they are a target for every nut job.

Can you explain why a private citizen with security concerns would publicly announce their family travel plans in advance?

Like the call, the frothing seems to be coming from inside the house.

He's such a fool.

Unfortunately for Harry, people who work in intelligence and counterterrorism, whose job it is to assess risks such as these, disagree with you. But by all means write up a report for Harry to send on to the papers RAVEC. I’m sure it will prompt an immediate reversal of their decision.

He left the royal family to do his own thing. His choice. So he doesnt get the protection he would have got. It's not rocket science. Entitled and selfish.

Perhaps he could just stop announcing where he is going and what he is doing like a royal and act like the private citizen he is

He couldn't live like that. Being royal is everything to him, and them.

Yes, that'll certainly fan the flames of his paranoia!

One thing is apparent, if they don’t come there will be drama, if they do come there will be drama , it’s all they know how to do successfully.

That's their entire life, Jeff. I think the RF have just decided to carry on and take no notice.

Yep , I imagine that the RF are very grateful that Meghan took Harry off their hands!
this type of behaviour isn’t something that a person starts suddenly doing, it’s something that is obviously ingrained.

She's fanned the flames. She's a classic enabler. Did you see on the Netflix programme how she got him anxious about a "pap" pursuing them? It was just a delivery guy on a moped. He nearly had the vapours.

That's probably the best strategy. But talk about messing people about. They will expect meals and service. Charles is in Balmoral I think. They won't be going there. They'd planned a mini faux royal tour I believe with visits and walkabouts. But no security or motorcades boo hoo.

Oh no doubt @OlympicWomen! But she would not be able to fan flames that didn’t exist! , he’s been handled by the “men in grey” and William and Catherine for years, it must have been exhausting !

All this drama over security is taking the spotlight from Invictus. I'm so angry that the games and it's participants aren't getting the publicity they deserve. Instead it's all about security, threats and focus on the Sussex family who claimed to want privacy. I really want Invictus to have a patron who focuses on the games and the participants. This never ending saga with H and his security is tiresome. Either come and stay in a Royal residence provided by KC or don't come. H is causing irrepairable damage to Invictus.

He’s always been a sulky man child!

Oh fgs! Look at him! He can't even make the effort at a public event. I notice Kate and that other person, trying to cajole him and help him. She's too kind, he still ended up slagging her off for money.

Beyond tiresome, but I suspect he knew he wasn't able to push it too far. Then along comes Meghan, suddenly he's got the most terrible life and no-one has suffered like him!

I can’t see how PH can be the poster boy for bereaved children re Scottie’s Little Soldiers as he presents as chaotic, unresolved, messy grief as a middle aged man claiming victim and being defined by loss 30 years ago with addiction issues.

If these were my children (and I also lost one parent suddenly at 6 years old and the then other one slowly through subsequent MH decline) - I would want a role model that was open to exploring their own compassionate emotional journey through childhood grief and transitioning to healing in adulthood with an awareness of the impact this loss will always have but that we are resilient and have unique experiences to grow from and around. I wouldn’t want the toxic energy of a chaotic, volatile, petulant, covert narc, manchild anywhere near my bereaved children never mind him setting himself up as some thought leader / role model in their lives. PH is in fact an example of exactly how you don’t want your bereaved children to live for the next 30 years and end up alienated from all their friends and family in middle age.