Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

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Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

Ah ! Thanks, I was confused 😕

It is my belief that Ravec , for reasons which I think, perhaps naively, are beyond bleedin' obvious 😂Do not publish their security recommendations.
Happy for those who have links to Ravec / detailed Met police security plans for individuals to say differently 😉Also the Monarch , nor his/ her heir are allowed to dictate security. It's just a feeling I have by reading the actual text ( as my university tutor would say ) rather than making stuff up based on unsubstantiated opinions.

Are we due another sticky ? I've been tidying my desk and I have found a whole sheet of sticky labels and am happy to donate a few 😊

All of the above, Basilisk. Common sense.

I rather think the new review "agreed" with SM was a bit of a figment of H's PR.

Have RAVEC or the Home Office confirmed such a review?

Might it have been a case of H phoning the HO :

H: "Look, Shab, there's LOADS of credible threats against me. But the men in grey blah blah blah..."

SB: "OK..... so, can you pull together some evidence of this? Good, send it to the Met, then. Byeee!"

And here we are.

H is beyond tiresome. I wonder , as Patron , what plans or activities he has put in place to attract big spending sponsors to invest in the IG. Because at the moment it doesn't look like the 23m from the govt is going to cut it , based on recent IG spending. It also doesn't look like just H showing up at the NEC , mayhap with M , is going to do enough good. Didn't Sophie C say after the initial years , H's annual polo matches weren't raising enough money for Sentebale and indeed some potential sponsors were put off by him. If he can't attract sponsorship then I think IG have a good reason to ask him to step down for the good of the charity. But as a PP says - who has the bottle to do this?

Interesting idea. My understanding was that he'd doorstopped Shana in Ukraine. She said 'OK. We haven't done a full review since 2019. Time to do another.' So I think it really was in train. The question now is why it has been paused.

Doorstepped!

And you have got to think that, rather than AMW's situation being the exception, it was actually the rule for him and Edward and Anne as working royals. As in, RAVEC would keep an eye on things and recommend heightened security when needed, but otherwise security as normal i.e. none except when out on a Royal engagement.

If this counts as "full security" then all three were rightly entitled to it. Or are we being told that AMW alone had fully armed Met officers 24/07/365?

Because RAVEC need to be briefed on planned activities so that they can advise - there are several FT royals plus various PT ones. The VIP contingent of it can be more ad hoc because, for example, Taylor Swift only visits once and briefly.

They denied the Queen her request which perfectly evidences the fact they have no sway

The Queen didn't demand motorbike outriders and a helicopter for him, though. She asked that he be protected and he has been.

Harry has done nothing of the sort. He’s been caught out so many times telling lies that nothing can be believed if it comes from his mouth.

You bringing up Andrew does nothing to support your viewpoint at all.

I honestly don't get why people are acting as if having royal staff on the RAVEC committee is somehow 'off'. How else are RAVEC to plan for events? RPO's don't just go around toting guns. A lot of their work involves the 'boring' stuff of checking out venues, working out routes and so on. That's why Harry is expected to give notice. If they're expected to protect him, they can't just swing into action at a moment's notice. But he's such a fool that he doesn't understand this. And much else besides.

AMW retaining security is a bit captain obvious he is an alleged rapist and all round wrong un they protect those types in prison all the time

Never wrestle with a pig.
You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Because at the moment it doesn't look like the 23m from the govt is going to cut it , based on recent IG spending

I'm behind the times.

Has the government now committed another £23m on top of the £26m committed to lure the circus to Brum originally?

I'd assumed the £26m was already spent (as always I'd like to know how) on said luring.

The contemporaneous reports in 2019 when AMW stood down all say security was removed - could you point us in the direction of a RAVEC announcement that said differently @Ukisgaslit . Again, am not sure RAVEC broadcast announcements but something may have been alluded to.

That said, as others have posted RAVEC have to consider reality of threat level and whilst there is understandable disgust as to AMW's behaviour, it doesn't mean that RAVEC won't sanction security support. I think it was in one of Harry's cases against the govt that the 'decision tree' about security was referenced.

You and me and almost everybody on this thread would like to know this.

How much has been spent, and what on.

How much more is needed, and where is it coming from. Is it coming?

How much cash does the Patron - who is supposed to facilitate sponsorship - raise, and how much does he expect in personal funding tomattend.

@CathyorClaire My fault when I typed "Because at the moment it doesn't look like the 23m from the govt is going to cut it , based on recent IG spending".

What I was referring to is the original £26m but mistakenly said £23m. So as you were , I am not privy to further government commitment - I got the amount wrong , but was definitely meaning the £26m commitment . Sorry for the confusion. 😊

Well, there's a new addition to the drama, and I think this a bit of a PR fumble from Buckingham Palace. Saying: ah you didn't reply in time, so now this offer has been 'withdrawn' is petty. If you don't see him as just another guest but as the son of the man who is supposed to live there and who had invited him, then you don't 'withdraw' that invitation. This will add to his sense of grievance and will make people think that this is all part of the vendetta of the men in grey suits.
This will now spiral: if he can't stay at Buckingham Palace with the kids he's not guaranteed security within it. So then Meghan and the kids can't come (if they were ever coming at all).

I think they thought they had found a loophole to try and limit the psychodrama (he hasn't replied in time so we've rescinded the offer) but I think they've inflamed it in a way where the public will feel a bit sorry for Harry.

What they should have done is say: come any time, we'll make up a couple of bedrooms for you and the family. You'll be safe here. But can you get a photo op with your dad at short notice? NOPE. Can you bring cameras in? Bigger nope. There was a way to 'win' this for Buckingham Palace and I think they've fumbled slightly.

Nope .

I think the Palace have played a blinder, no one with half a brain will feel sorry for Harry, we have seen his attempts of manipulation play out in real time, no one is fooled. The Palace is not a family home that can “leave a couple of bedrooms” made up for Harry to rock up when he feels like it. Staff have to be rostered on, security deployed. It’s not there for the convenience of Prince Harry when he feels he needs his ego stroked. I think public sympathy will be with the King, Harry’s manipulations have been exposed and it isn’t looking good on him at all.

But his dad doesn't live at Buckingham Palace. There aren't permanent members of the royal family there, and so presumably there isn't permanent security and household staff of the level needed. Harry very much did not just want a bed! Also, he seems to have been expecting to be there tomorrow? My mum and dad do not have to arrange security and staff for me to stay, just buy in some extra milk, but they'd still be a bit pissed off if I hadn't made my mind up whether I was coming a few days before when I'd been thinking about it for ages!

I hope Harry finally realises he's not the centre of everything