Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

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Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

It's all speculation. Neither the royals themselves nor the relevant govt agencies speak publicly about security matters. For good reason. It's a highly confidential and sensitive area, not really suitable for public discussion. Or at least it was until Harry tried to make it into a media sparring match. But unfortunately for him, nobody else is playing so he's left tilting at windmills like the fool he is.

So it would seem.

It's part of today's script - Charles should pay for his son's security, what an uncaring man!

It derails genuine discussion by having the regulars going round in circles, taking posts in good faith and so taking time to explain things. Only to have the next pigeon pop up with the same point or a related swipe or insult.

I love it

Wow that’s an incredible insight - why doesn’t PH make these points public and directly to RAVEC - surely that would flip everything on its head in PHs favour.

Oh wait….

True. People surely can't be so ignorant of how security works that they actually believe the fiction spread by Harry. It really is quite bizarre.
Let them believe it. The Home Office, the security services and anti terror squad know what they're doing.
Facts are facts. 🤷

You have moved the argument in another direction. My point is about the Harry-commissioned report, whose conclusions are likely to be based on spurious data. You have introduced the case of Andrew Mounbatten-Windsor, about whom we have all shockingly been deceived for decades. Despite the evidence, his case will probably never come to court. His behaviour has been criminal. Harry's has not been.

As to Harry's security, he does get security when he's here. He was told when he left the UK that his security would be removed. I believe it includes a tracking device from the moment he arrives, live monitoring of MI5 intelligence, and a direct line to the Met. But he wants more - 24-hour security and a motorcade. He won't get that because he doesn't fall into any of the categories that qualify. Only last year, a judge ruled against Harry's questioning of the approach taken by RAVEC and the Home Office. It is a bespoke process but he wants more.

The remaining mystery is why the new review he agreed with Shabana Mahmood has been paused.

I'm not a Windsor supporter. I'd rather have the monarchy than not - just. But they need to clean up or they'll be gone.

I said that, he wants all the party and no work, go live like unky Eddie and follow him down the garden path his already half way down. Don't leak scandal to drum up more business for your scandal machine

It also requires a conspiratorial mindset.

Harry the Hero of Aviation is supposedly such a threat to the 'establishment' that 'they' are conspiring not to grant him the security he so desperately needs. So the King - who apparently can dictate to government departments - is actively seeking to put his own son and grandchildren in danger.

If I were Harry and genuinely believed this to be the case, I would come nowhere near Britain. I certainly wouldn't even consider bringing my children there. Especially as the people supposedly conspiring against him are the same people he would rely on for security.

Harry wants 24/7 armed security, which is only possible if protection is provided by the Met.

Risk is assessed and Harry is told the level of security that is appropriate and will be provided - he can enhance this with his own team if he wants.

Harry complains that his security team don’t have access to intelligence.

Commissions a report from his security team, who don’t have access to intelligence.

Sends it to RAVEC, who do have access to intelligence.

No effect, unsurprisingly.

Posters use contents of privately commissioned report, not based on intelligence, as ‘evidence’ of threats against Harry, that are being ignored by RAVEC, who base assessments on intelligence.

Same posters apparently very keen on ‘facts’ and revealing what is ‘smoke and mirrors’.

Excellent work 👏👏

I always think the conspiracy mindset is a worrying one. It's an indicator of problems that, in many cases, need mental health support. It's really very troubling.

Really? Oh dear do not concern yourself

However those posters calling Mountbatten a pedophile we’re once called ‘conspiracy theorists’

Yes, and he's completely isolated from anyone who might be able to talk some sense into him. So his conspiratorial thinking and sense of grievance are just snowballing. All he has is Meghan, and she's happy to encourage him in thinking the world is against him.

IIRC the monarch pays for a CCTV system and an unarmed security guard for AMW not RPOs - the type of security that Harry could bring from the US

Yes, good points.

Any chance of an update on the HO review you mentioned @Ukisgaslit oh and the sub committee details?

What?

Since 2019, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has not been privy to taxpayer-funded security and has instead relied upon private protection.

What have uncle Edward and aunt Sophie done?
have I missed something!

I’d rather they didn’t. I’m sick of hearing about it. She’s been trouble since day dot.

Not to speak for someone else, but I'm assuming she means Great Great Great (?) Uncle Edward, Duke of Windsor.

No

Andrew had an RAVEC assessment as soon as he was forced to stand down.
He was granted full security

In 2022 the public became aware and the outcry forced Charles to stop the arrangement and pay for Andrew himself

Have you got a link to the 'RAVEC assessment'? Along with the other 'Home Office assessment' you read about 'somewhere'?

And what is 'full security'? As I said above, for all we know there may have been genuine threats against Andrew. Just because he's a terrible person doesn't mean he shouldn't be kept safe.

Source for this statement?