Here we go … Andrew to leave Royal Lodge and lose title

[Flixon]

Headlined in The Times just now …. About bloody time …

I was confused by all this talk of Wood Farm and thought they meant the council estate in Oxford.

I would like a model like some other European countries. Small, modest royal family that cycles around etc.

That has never been an issue.
Perhaps not for you but it's as dodgy AF for me. Particularly as he still claims he never even met her.

His belief doesn't matter. There are rapists, serial killers etc that believe they have done nothing wrong. Doesn't change the facts.

• Andrew may have raped VG (not convicted though he paid without admitting guilt
• Andrew went to "orgies" - likely involving minors or significant power differences, and therefore abusive orgies rather than consensual - and did nothing for those vulnerable people. Instead he dug in deeper to side with the abusers
• Andrew continued his support of a convicted serial child rapist then lied about it. Epstein was eventually convicted of multiple rapes the second time around

For all of that, he gets a stupid title removed and gets moved to another luxurious property where he will continue his life of leisure. He is hardly hard done by is he?

Norfolk? Is he?

Which European country would that be?
Let me tell you, these other monarchies are just as lavish and grand, plus there are scandals there, too!
Look up what's happened in Norway, Denmark and Spain for starters.....

Blimey. I didn't hear the news! His titles are getting formally stripped, wow!! Didn't think that would happen.

Despite this statement mentioning the victims, the cynic in me feels the true reason they have gone this far is because of the existential threat it served to the royal family. And in contrary fashion, whilst I'm glad that stronger action was taken (how sad Giuffre had to die before anything happened) this whole sorry debacle just epitomises how horrible it must be to be royal and have to take these sorts of ameliorative punitive measures just so the institution can continue.

Question: If Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was to be served a subpoena today, by the Americans, in order to answer questions (I guess there is no case anyway but theoretically) could he avoid it like he did in the past, during which time his status had previously protected him?

Agreed! They're basically saying they think he's guilty, surely that's even bigger than him being stripped of his title and being moved along?

Where is the evidence he slept with prepubescent children?

Pedophilia relates normally to prepubescent children ages 10-13

Virginia was 17, when he was alleged to have slept with her, and the age of consent in the US is 16 to 18 depending on the state. Therefore he could be an alledged rapist if she was underage for consent

Not saying what’s happened to him isn’t right, no smoke without fire etc, but let’s get facts right rather than bandying about pedophile and nonce

I believe the King is very very unwell and that William will be king sooner rather than later.

Me too.

They are nowhere near as lavish and grand 🙄

Really?! 😂
Genuinely.... have a look at how they live and how many tiara events they have!
Seriously 🙄

And the Machangulo Affair when the Dutch royalty bought a luxurious villa in Mozambique. The purchase had all the dubiousness of the powerful vs the voiceless. Corruption, no disregard for locals or the environment.

ETA: location of Villa

Good q.
I think

1. the recent revelation that Andrew had blatantly lied to the British people and to his family about the end of his relationship with Epstein was the fatal blow. No coming back. Even his daughters must be able to see that if he lied about that, he’s likely lying about everything.

2. there are almost certainly more dirty Epstein secrets to come out. Maybe some will directly involve Andrew, maybe only tangentially, but the Royal Family clearly wants to put up a firewall for when it happens.

3. William’s new house is basically next door to Royal Lodge - no way does he want his pervy uncle on his doorstep. His fingerprints are all over this dagger.

That's why I loved former Queen Margrethe of Denmark, likely found having a sneaky fag out the back of a venue. Albeit probably with her tiara still on 😂.

They cost a fraction of our royals - you can laugh all you like but I have visited these countries, especially Denmark, many times, their royals are far more modest. It doesn’t mean they don’t have scandals, of course it doesn’t, and I would abolish every one of them, but pretending they’re comparable is just nonsense and no amount of laughing emojis will change that.

Quite. Plus the scandals of King Juan Carlos and various money schemes.
Princess Mette Marit's son and what he's charged with.
Plus all the grand events where they regularly wear tiaras and other bling. Bicycles my arse, as Jim Royle would say! 😂😂

Well at least he'll have a companion in disgrace. I don't think it would have reflected well on Fergie to have abandoned him wholly in his trial (deserved though it might be) after living off him and the lifestyle he provided for tears. Her profligate spending was part of the reason he had to go groveling to Epstein for cash and keep him inside as a 'friend'

Yes she should be with him. Perhaps they'll even remarry.

I suspect there is a custodial sentence on the horizon for Andrew which would be so much easier for the King (and the nation) to deal with if he isn't summonsed or arrested from royal property.

My gut feeling is they are adjusting the optics ahead of time.

😂😂😂
Seriously?! Ok.
Look it up. Genuinely. I'm laughing because it's such a ludicrous claim.

Good luck persuading William to give up his helicopter for commuting.

Epstein funded her, too.

I think that there is a charge coming relating to his asking his police protection officer to dig up information on Virginia guiffre. Even the met police are onboard with that.

😆😆😆Just snarfed my coffee!

Bye Andy! 🥳