Here we go … Andrew to leave Royal Lodge and lose title

[Flixon]

Headlined in The Times just now …. About bloody time …

If Anne's husband had accepted a peerage, her children would be styled as the son and daughter or a Duke or, more likely, Earl. But they would not have been 'royal' titles. A precedent is with Antony Armstrong Jones, who became 1st Earl of Snowdon on his marriage to Margaret. Their children were styled as Lord and Lady, but they are not 'royal'.

The rules of primogeniture were changed around 10 years ago, and I believe Charlotte's children would have the same titles as the males.

Oh for goodness sake, it's hardly a constitutional crisis is it? Andrew is never going to be king, so to treat it like the Abdication of Edward VII is a bit over the top.

Yes, Andrew should retire from public life and not receive state funding but he was born the son of a reigning monarch and should be entitled to stay a Prince

A program came out fairly recently with all sorts of shocking money stuff like NHS hospitals paying rent to them think it was Chanel 5

‘Knowing what he is like’ may not mean they knew the full horror Lownie alledges.

i mean, it was clear that, say, Russell Brand was a revolting creep but even i didn’t take him for a rapist and I loathe him.

Well, it is.

he’s an alleged sex offender. The queen spent £12m of our money to silence his accuser. He has lived off our money for decades, and is still going to be funded by the king. Why does being born into a family mean you can get away with heinous crimes?

The rules were changed to allow absolute primogeniture, but titles still cannot go down the female line.

As things stand, both George's and Louis' potential future children would be Prince and Princess, but Charlotte's would be untitled. Hopefully changes are made so that only direct line grandchildren get to be Prince and Princess.

Is the edifice crumbling? Shore up the edifice, quick!

Hopefully by the time they all settle down and have children the monarchy is a memory.

He can go to the big family Christmas now! No one would know as he'll be on the estate anyway.

Why? Why should he stay a prince?

i think that just changed rules about birth order and made a special exemption for Charlotte’s own title - it may affect George’s children in terms of titles - ie if he had a girl first. But I don’t think it did anything to address the non heir lines.

What I’f like to see is for Charles or William to change it so that only the children of the direct heir get these titles so that both Charlotte and Louis are in true same position.

Sneak in through the servants' entrance?

@CoffeeCantata
I didn't really mean the behaviour Lownie disclosed. More his attitude to staff, employees, reporters...anyone that he felt was beneath him.

Anyone else think Kemi Badenochs statement was a bit odd? Could just be me.

But the standards and expectations in society now are very high. People expect to see the very highest levels of integrity.

Very high not to abuse vulnerable girls. I mean....

I really hope not. Epstein is dead, so what exactly do his victims want from all this? Do people really want all this raked over?

Handsy Andy would be more appropriate

Ye. Until every single person involved rots in prison.

Oh, go suck some toes, Fergie 🙄

You think the passage of time erases the gravity of the crimes?

I just wonder if something is coming out soon in America; there has been a big push to release "the Epstein files" that supposedly contain dirt on Trump.

Epstein is dead, so what exactly do his victims want from all this? Do people really want all this raked over?

Are you actually serious @2010Aussie
Do you not think victims are entitled to be heard and vindicated?

Is that you Sarah?

Totally agree.

The significant bit for me is the mention of victims. Certainly suggests arse covering against the next public revelations. Looking forward to hearing Emily Maitlis.

Entitled to stay a Prince?! Why?! It’s all archaic dress up for the peasants - maybe the peasants don’t want to play anymore? 🤬🙄