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SCD '21 #20: Who will lift the [glitterball]?

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 18/12/2021 19:57

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Marmite17 · 19/12/2021 00:43

Missed an episode but just saw the silent section with Rose tonight and Wow. Just beautiful.

disconnected101 · 19/12/2021 00:46

Just catching up on the show. Totally agree that AJ would have brought so much fun & energy to the show & changed the dynamic completely & it wouldn't have been such a tear-fest. She's class! I think Rose was always going to win though. But she & Gio deserved to win.

Slowchimes · 19/12/2021 00:56

No, sorry I don't agree. Remember when Shirley said to Nikita 'I couldn't tell who was the professional' that is what a good pro does.

Yes SmellyOldPartridgeinaPearTree but was that because Nikita danced "down" or because Tilly raised her game? Although John was a terrific dancer, I think he was lacking in the fingers and arm department and he seemed tired at times, and I don't think those things would have changed even if Johannes had danced "down".

NoraEphronsTurkeyNeck · 19/12/2021 01:00

@covetingthepreciousthings

WHY don't they do an extra It Takes Two after the finale!?! I'd love to have one last ITT !
I say this every year Smile
HalleLouja · 19/12/2021 05:52

I think they should make a Janette and Alijaz show they were so beautiful to watch.

Poor AJ, I am sure her show dance would have been a proper full on spectacular.

The result was never in doubt though. I am partially deaf and in awe of how she can dance in time with the amount of hearing loss she has.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 19/12/2021 06:23

@Romeiswheretheheartis

I've just watched some previous showdances on YouTube ànd they all without exception had far more content and much more wow factor than either of tonight's. Maisie and Gorka, Alexandra and Gorka, Danny and Oti...... Interestingly, Gio and Debbie's had some of the same spinny lifts he did with Rose.
I did think both show dances lacked that sense of something special last night. Some of them are really memorable - Danny ran around jumping through picture frames; Faye danced on top of a massive top hat; Jay came down from the ceiling upside down; Louis did a handstand on the world…

Don’t get me wrong, I love Rose and Gio but the show dance for both couples lacked that memorable edge. I blame Gilkinson Grin

Frezia · 19/12/2021 06:47

Yes, a slightly underwhelming finale although at least the J&J selection of dances provided some drama and joy. Rose's were all a bit samey and saccharine, even the CC didn't quite have the same effect (although DH still cried). I agree with pp who said that in the show dance she spent half of the time going up and down the stairs. Rose in a rosy rose-appliqué dress going up and down the rose balcony to The Rose, all a bit on the nose. For me based on last night alone J&J just about edged it but looking at overall series performance it had to be Rose.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 19/12/2021 07:06

i think the final is never the best judging from the past experience
Such a worthy winner and JJ such a worthy finalist.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 19/12/2021 07:17

unfair that the rest of the contestants were all allowed to be together, i know they danced together, there is a photo of all of them, but not the 4 in the final.

Snog · 19/12/2021 08:12

Why oh why didn't Rose snog Gio
at the end

coodawoodashooda · 19/12/2021 08:15

@Snog

Why oh why didn't Rose snog Gio at the end
Omg that would have been amazing!
ChessieFL · 19/12/2021 08:16

I’ve just rewatched Ed Sheeran’s song. It was obviously filmed a few weeks ago, because as a pp pointed out Cynthia Erivo is there in Motsi’s place. However the other three judges are wearing the same outfits that they wore in the live final. So they must have got the judges to dress in what they were planning to wear for the final, to make it look like it was live instead of pre-recorded - except that was never going to work because Motsi was missing - so why bother?! All very odd. They were probably hoping nobody would notice it wasn’t Motsi.

ChessieFL · 19/12/2021 08:16

Rose’s boyfriend was in the audience!!

Snog · 19/12/2021 08:19

But Rose's boyfriend didn't help her become more me than I've ever been

JanisMoplin · 19/12/2021 08:22

Watching back I really thought all three of Rose's dances were exactly the same: romantic wafting. No change in tone or pace at all.

Inkanta · 19/12/2021 08:23

Yes I thought it was the right result. Yes there was a sameness to Rose's three dances but I know Rose can do sexy and edgy perfectly - like last weeks Argentine Tango.

They did dance as if they were in love - maybe for real or maybe acting, but lovely to watch.

Inkanta · 19/12/2021 08:28

But Rose's boyfriend didn't help her become more me than I've ever been

Yes I know - I imagine some of this emotional expression causes all sorts of turmoil to all involved.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 19/12/2021 08:32

I'm pleased she won as well, although based on the showdances alone, I think J&J were a bit better. (Still Team AJ here, I think she'd have been fantastic.)

I did like Rose's CC, but I'm not sure CCs should be allowed in a final. They're far too similar to a showdance.

I'm not sure whether dancing same sex helped John tbh (in terms of him enjoying it I'm sure it did, but in terms of dancing). He was far better leading ballroom than following it so I think some of the role switching actually might have confused him a bit. In Latin it isn't such an issue.

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DontWantTheRivalry · 19/12/2021 08:33

But Rose's boyfriend didn't help her become more me than I've ever been

How her boyfriend hasn’t crumbled and died inside I don’t know.

Same with John’s boyfriend.

If I heard my long term partner say the kind of things Rose and John have been saying, to another woman I would be heartbroken and it would undoubtedly affect the relationship. I just can’t envisage how Rose’s and John’s boyfriends have no unsettled feelings about the way their partners talk about the professionals and how they describe the relationship they have with each other and the impact that other person has had on my life.

As has been said about Rose’s speech, if Gio has made her feel “more me” than she’s ever been before in just 13 weeks, then it doesn’t say much about her 10 year relationship with her boyfriend.

The same with John, when he said meeting Johannes and sharing this experience with him is the most exciting thing he has ever done, and will ever do in the future I thought “I bet that was lovely for his boyfriend to hear”. Poor fiancé to now feel that all the experiences he’s had with John have now been trampled on and that anything they experience in the future won’t compare to the experience he’s had with Johannes.

And for all these speeches and declarations to be made in public, so their boyfriends family, colleagues and friends can all hear it being said too…..well it must be absolutely mortifying.

JanisMoplin · 19/12/2021 08:36

@DontWantTheRivalry

But Rose's boyfriend didn't help her become more me than I've ever been

How her boyfriend hasn’t crumbled and died inside I don’t know.

Same with John’s boyfriend.

If I heard my long term partner say the kind of things Rose and John have been saying, to another woman I would be heartbroken and it would undoubtedly affect the relationship. I just can’t envisage how Rose’s and John’s boyfriends have no unsettled feelings about the way their partners talk about the professionals and how they describe the relationship they have with each other and the impact that other person has had on my life.

As has been said about Rose’s speech, if Gio has made her feel “more me” than she’s ever been before in just 13 weeks, then it doesn’t say much about her 10 year relationship with her boyfriend.

The same with John, when he said meeting Johannes and sharing this experience with him is the most exciting thing he has ever done, and will ever do in the future I thought “I bet that was lovely for his boyfriend to hear”. Poor fiancé to now feel that all the experiences he’s had with John have now been trampled on and that anything they experience in the future won’t compare to the experience he’s had with Johannes.

And for all these speeches and declarations to be made in public, so their boyfriends family, colleagues and friends can all hear it being said too…..well it must be absolutely mortifying.

It's acting. None of it is real, any more than when you see actors pretending to be Romeo and Juliet on screen. They all say that every year.
Inkanta · 19/12/2021 08:39

And for all these speeches and declarations to be made in public, so their boyfriends family, colleagues and friends can all hear it being said too…..well it must be absolutely mortifying.

I know - and Strictly seem to encourage that - "Rose what would you like to say to Giovanni" and Giovanni what would you like to say to Rose."

Claudia asks this every week!

NashvilleQueen · 19/12/2021 08:43

I don't want Johannes to change. He is giving it his every moment of every dance. I don't think he knows how to ease up. I love watching him. I have seen a growing number of comments in SM about him being too much etc and it makes me sad because I think he's pretty authentic and dance is how he lets himself completely go.

DontWantTheRivalry · 19/12/2021 08:46

It's acting. None of it is real….

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

Their speeches have always seemed very heartfelt to me.

StopGoQuitStart · 19/12/2021 08:47

I didn’t have the same excited buzz with the final as I’ve had with other episodes. It was a bit flat and nothing wowed me except Jeanette and Alijaz (dance of the night right there!).

Rose is a worthy winner of course but they did her no favours in the final. Very sweet routines - hated QS first time around (costume, acting sections and dance) and although performed well I didn’t like it any more the second time. CC was great but I felt it lost the specialness knowing what was coming with the silence. Show dance was blah. Lovely lifts and sweet dancing but dull. Also was strangely let down by the massive prop Gio has been promoting - it was some stairs. Didn’t the show dances use to have amazing settings and moments. Also Rose has just a cheeky fun side and I don’t think they captured that at all in the final. I actually preferred a John purely because his pirate routine was fun and I loved the energy of their show dance (and the song!) Rose is probably a better overall dancer (or at least Gio showcases her better than Johnannes showcased John).

The final would have been better with AJ. Just her dance choices alone would have brought a bit of liveliness and fun to the evening. It was all too intense emotional etc. It’s lovely that the 3 couples have formed such close bonds. Dancing together clearly amplified friendships but I found every interview more and more cringy. They were all just too emotional and ott for me. The crying - omg just make it stop!! The only one who I forgave crying was AJ as she had good reason but the others, yes have a little blurb in one interview either but then give us some real chat and happiness not all this sobbing. John have a shout out to AJ but I think Rose should have mentioned her too. Like all calm down about the emoting and hyper emotions and just talk normally!!

Filler wise I think it was okay. I’d have preferred to have seen a great pro dance. Why don’t they do a big dance routine on the final night?? They just had that bit at the beginning to introduce the celebrities but not a true pro dance.

The group dance was fun. I suppose it’s quite hard to included everyone’s memorable moments in one dance and ensure everyone is shown. I did think it off that they didn’t even mention Tilly at all. Rob I can understand as he withdrew for health reasons and that was acknowledged at the time so didn’t expect to see him back except in old footage. Tilly however was in quite late and voted out in normal way. If you don’t read the papers sm you’d be wondering what happened to her and if there was a story there. A quick mention of her by T/C would have been nice.

Tess is fine. I don’t understand the hate for her / she’s not the most dynamic but then her role is to basically do the links and kee the judges comments on time and see the couples off up the stairs. Claudia is the one with the “freedom” to add lib and draw info from the couples. She is a better presenter anyway but she also has a different role to Tess on the show. I liked both their outfits but Tess didn’t seem final worthy - something sparkly would have been better given what she’s worn in series. I loved Motsi dress. Really interesting and suited her. Wasn’t as keen on Shirley’s - nothing wrong with it but I’ve seen her dress and hair looks my much better. Anton needs to calm back down to his early/mid series self. He’s fun and I much prefer him to Bruno but he’s at risk of becoming a characterture of himself shortly I’d he keeps going the way he is. Craig is my favourite still. Only sensible judge with that 10 paddle.

Overall I loved this series. I really liked a lot of the couples (not you Tom! Not you Greg!) and looked forwarded to the show each week. The end wasn’t worthy of the night hat the series had been though. For me it would have been better with AJ (although I think Rose would still have won).

ShirleyPhallus · 19/12/2021 08:48

@NashvilleQueen

I don't want Johannes to change. He is giving it his every moment of every dance. I don't think he knows how to ease up. I love watching him. I have seen a growing number of comments in SM about him being too much etc and it makes me sad because I think he's pretty authentic and dance is how he lets himself completely go.
But his job isn’t to let himself go and dance the best he possibly can, it’s to make his partner look as good as possible. If, by him letting himself go and dancing full out, he’s making his partner look weaker then he should be criticised about that. It’s his job to do that, not make himself look the best he can