Www two lovely babies. Though completely diff deliveries!
From my birth debriefing, that type of rotational (kielands) forceps are only used when the baby is too far down to do a cs, and the baby is needing rotated. To be honest during dd1's birth the whole procedure is so surreal and horrific that it almost seems to have happened to someone else. Needless to say next birth was a cs for me!