Is anyone on her as furious as me about Man City ?

[hittingthegroundcrawling]

As I said. It’s appalling

Do you think this about other major sports or films etc?!

Debt is not relevant for financial fair play rules. What matters is the level of losses the club is making. So no, it is not some magic in the way United's debt is structured. It is simply because it is debt.

It is because if they were servicing the debt they'd be incurring losses.

They are servicing the debt. Their most recent accounts show that they paid £38.5M in interest on their debt in the year to June 2025. This is one of the reasons United fans hate the Glazers. They took a debt free club and loaded it up with debt, borrowing money from hedge funds to buy the club then loading that debt onto the club. United have paid nearly £1bn in debt interest since the Glazers bought the club.

Which is about 3% so they're not servicing it all.

I live with a City Fan who proclaimed “oooh they might get relegated far enough that I can afford to go to the games!”

Every cloud I suppose 🤦🏽‍♀️

I am watching a program about Jock Stein, Sir Matt Busby and Bill Shankly. Men of honour. Man City cheated and should be expelled from the Premier League and the EFL. Let them reform and work their way up from the Northern Premier League West.

It is servicing the debt.

Servicing the debt means paying the interest. If you are a company borrowing that kind of money, you pay a much lower interest rate than you and I would.

Just over half United's debt is in bonds with a fixed interest rate of 3.79%. The total interest on the bonds is £11.7M. They are paying roughly 8% interest on the remainder of their debt which is in the form of secured loans.

They are servicing the debt in full. Of course they are. If they were not, no-one would lend them any money.

Still a farce though. That a club can carry a debt of that size and still be within the rules shows the rules are a joke.

As my earlier post says, I hope City get the book thrown at them but absolutely no sympathy for the Uniteds and Liverpools of the world either.

The fact that they continue to deny wrong doing and will try and trot this out with a lengthy and expensive appeal just heaps disgrace on them. If I were a Man City fan I’d be boycotting at this point I think until the board and the owners do the right thing. Shameful.

They seldom do, though you'll get occasional protestations from people who nonetheless can't explain why football is the thing they choose to make a noise about rather than other sports or films. The double standard should be studied.

I may be just be a cynical old fart, but in my experience whenever money is involved somebody will cheat.

Why does that mean the rules are a joke? The rules are about making sure clubs are sustainable - that they won't collapse if the owner loses interest. If they are able to service their debts, they are sustainable. Almost all clubs in the top flight carry some level of debt. Spurs have the highest debt in the PL. Between them, PL clubs have debts of around £3.6billion.

Having said that, I am furious that the Glazers took a debt free club and loaded it with debt, basically getting the club to give them the money they used to buy it. At least Spurs got a new stadium for their debt. We got nothing.

For the most part, people advancing that argument are engaged in whataboutery and/or don't understand exactly the nature of what the Glazers have done to United. Nor that it might not even be possible to transact such a deal now- which is a very good thing!

It means that the rules are anti competitive and serve the interests of a few clubs who built up their revenue streams before the rules came in.

No club can achieve the revenue of those few clubs (and therefore the power to spend on players and salaries) without breaking the rules. I hate what City have done but it’s obvious why they did it.

Fans of most of the ‘big 6’ won’t have it though. They will argue til they’re blue in the face that it’s all fair and an even playing field and the likes of Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Forest and any other club that has aspirations beyond just surviving in the PL just needs to improve their revenue and they too can buy multiple 70mil plus players. Conveniently ignoring the fact that to do this, they would likely have to consistently qualify for the champs league repeatedly, with lower budget players on lower salaries, all whilst getting their best players picked off. These are clubs in healthy financial positions with no debt and rich owners who wish to invest.

Yet you have United sitting on all that debt, leaking robes, antiquated training ground paying high fees and fat salaries.

Do Man U players have to put up with leaking robes?

Odd auto correct. I meant roofs but really…who knows?!

Manchester City CEO Soriano is saying that the guilty verdicts are ‘a Premier League conspiracy theory’

Where is the laughing reaction when you need it most??

😂😂😂

All those players who were supposedly deciding between different clubs in the last few years and went to City in the end. Wonder what their motivation was to sign with the sky blues in the end? It’s quite a risk hoping you’ll be playing on a regul basis with that squad.

How many of their current players are ex city academy? How many are dyed in the wool city fans out of interest? Phil Foden?

Oh Dh has just informed me Foden, Nico O’Reilly and Rico Lewis are 1st team regulars from the academy