Why so much hate on MN?

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Why so much hate on MN?
Posters hiding behind complaints about the government, presenting themselves as reasonable actors, to push hate about asylum seekers, people with disabilities, benefit claimants..Mostly the same names all day everyday.
I am told to report - MN just not interested.
I am told to hide the thread..
Why isn't moderation better?
I know this will always exist and exists on other platforms but MN makes no effort to even try to anything about it.
You can't really sell MN as a caring, supportive site with all this stuff offered on a daily basis in active.

I think you have me mistaken. I don't believe in borders, my question was towards the bigot in hiding who is trying to shield her anti-immigrant opinions behind a veneer of 'reasonableness'.

Agree with the first few posts - loads of bots/bad actors from other countries post about politics, in particular, which renders the whole board a 50/50 split of insane posts with wild opinions no one ever hears in real life and people who are annoyed about some minor inconvenience to a quieter component who actually want to talk about the nuances rather than spout GB news. I also find this on ME board - a lot of apparent Jews/Israel supporters acting very badly and calling names to anyone who even suggests they might have murdered anyone at all! I can't help but think the site is being used to stir hatred with these extreme threads generated continuously.

Who have Jews murdered?

You tell me? Block and name changing clash with each other..it's one or the other

It's neither. We need immigration. But we do need to know who's here so we can

• plan services and infrastructure
• prevent economic exploitation
• provide support with language learning etc so people can fulfil their potential

So my position is one of pragmatism, not ideology.

But that's what block means. You can't have name changing with a block function. How would it work?

Well, I'm confused. There are many people on MN who are guilty of bigotry and anti-immigrant rhetoric, but @pointythings certainly isn't one of them.

Yes it is a shame that being able to name change is being abused and used for means other than to seek help and support. It's ruining it for the genuine cases. I don't know how the site gets round that.

I think mumsnet is quite representative of opinions I come across in real life. It's good to let everyone speak. Silencing others just pushes opinions underground, it certainly won't change hearts and minds.

Yes this. Usually mnhq are good on reinforcing this in each of these threads.

I just don't think it could physically happen. If you blocked an account then if they name changed and holes appear when people are quoted. They'll be identified with little detective work. If you just blocked a username, then there's nothing stopping that person you've blocked from name changing.

I doubt it's a change in a little bit of code while everything runs as normal anyway.

What are "apparent Jews"

Yes, I'm still waiting on who they are murdering as well.

Most of Mumsnet is knowledgeable, supportive and interesting. Unfortunately, like everywhere else, there are also those on here who have been brainwashed by culture war issues that have no bearing on their day to day lives. Perhaps easier to hate marginalised groups than actually engage with the complex problems in the world.

I completely agree, OP. I suspect some of it is bots and infiltration by unethical political parties in order to stir up hatred. I have complained to MN too, and they are utterly useless at addressing it. I think the engagement drives profit and it is clear that is their main aim. Which is sad given a predominantly female social media platform is a rarity and MN was - and could be - so good.

For a while it put me off using MN but now I try to scroll on and not engage. I’m not always successful and then it puts me in a bad mood and feeling a bit hopeless about the state of the world. I should probably leave altogether and likely will at some point. MN is going the way of Twitter.

Exactly. I can agree with people who want to see more people in work and off benefits. At the same time, I will disagree completely on how that is to be achieved.

Easy. If you want to name change you have to close your account and open another. And make it impossible to use the initial username again. It’s well known that some posters switch names between threads.

Go into your account settings, then talk settings, and in there you can manage which topics you see. There's the option to hide different topics.

That's very naive.

The main purpose of name changing isn't to take retrospective action after one has been abused by another poster online. It's to avoid risks spilling over into real life.

People often want to ask for or give potentially sensitive advice, or indeed discuss political views, without that being linked to a name that they may have shared innocuous but cumulatively outing information.

Either because they don't want people they know IRL knowing those personal details about them, or because they fear people who take exception to their political views stalking or harassing them or their families IRL.

MN has always understood these RL risks are different for women, and that women shouldn't have to permantly give up a longstanding online identity because need support with a sensitive or embarrassing situation or even just want to discuss a divisive news item or political situation.

For example, I have a close person in my life who has dealt with some major medical issues. This was a long time ago and most people who know them now would not know this, nor does the person want them to. I have a username I use on threads about that topic so I can talk candidly about the experience. I would not be able to do so under my main username as it's too possible someone who knows me would recognise who the person is.

I don’t think you’re helping with the ‘apparent Jews’ line or this post.

Well we have seen plenty of Russians posting on here, so why would any other war be different in tactics? Very naive to imagine this site is full of women in pinnies by the sink.

And now we have an example here of the kind of thing that happens when it is clear what someone means but they get ganged up on by several posters pretending not to know and accusing them of meaning something else entirely.

There’s been threads like this before and mnhq have said all the everyone I disagree with is a bot line is misplaced.

But your particular issue seems to be about one group of people.

It literally happens whenever there is a thread where politics or a war involved. As I said in my first post.

You are highlighting the apoplectic approach, however, and we aren't even on one of those threads.