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I think I’ve just caught my husband cheating

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CoffeeRevelsfan · Yesterday 16:00

DH is working from home and I was doing the housework, I walked upstairs as a jet went over the house so it was really loud. We don’t live on a flight path so it was unusual. I went into his office and he literally jumped out of his skin and pressed the X to hide a teams message on screen. I asked about the jet just as another message popped up on teams from a woman called Joanna - he scrabbled to press the X again as fast as possible and was as red as a beetroot. The message said “yeah, it looked better in my head hahaha”.

His whole demeanour had changed and looked hugely guilty and caught out. I asked who he was messaging to which he said no one, i again asked who it was and he said a man from work - i told him i saw it was from a woman called Joanna. I asked why he was acting like this and looking so guilty and lying - he said it’s because he knew how I’d react. I am well aware he works in a mixed team and have never taken any issue to him having work conversations with other women so this is completely gas lighting on his part. I told him this was bull shit and to bring up the messages, he refused. I asked again and he locked his screen then picked up his mobile - he has teams on his phone so I am assuming he was deleting the messages. I asked if that’s what he was doing and he dug his heels in and shouted that there is nothing going on. I told him to prove it by showing the messages, he repeatedly refused and told me no as he didn’t feel he should have to prove himself, and then wouldn’t make eye contact with me.

if that was me and the conversation was innocent, I’d have brought up the messages and demanded an apology. Everything about him screamed red flag during that situation.

ive left the house and am currently in my car in a park, shaking and feeling sick. There surely can’t be any other explanation for his reaction and refusal to prove himself innocent?

we’ve never been in a situation like this, I’ve not had any cause to doubt him in the past. Been together for 15years.

OP posts:
somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 05:47

He deleted the messages because he's an adulterer - obviously. Do not leave your home, he cannot be trusted, he is not your friend. Get legal advice, and do it quickly.

Saintsgirl7 · Today 05:55

Our IT company have just managed to restore 6 years worth of teams messages, it can be done.
Hope you get your answers OP.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 06:16

OP I think you need to make it clear to your DH that he can’t simply draw a line under this and just expect you to trust that these messages were innocent.

He’s the one who has broken the trust in your relationship - he’s trying to step away from that, and worse, he’s putting the onus on you to continue in the marriage despite him giving you absolutely no reason not to simply end it.

He needs to know that deleting these messages belies what he’s telling you about his innocence, and that your marriage is in trouble as a result. It’s not on you to blindly forgive, it’s on him to prove there was nothing to forgive in the first place.

The harsh reality is that he can’t do that - I suspect this would be the case even if he hadn’t deleted the messages and l think deep down you know that his reaction to you walking in while they were on screen has told you everything you need to know.

piscofrisco · Today 06:19

DistantConstellation · Yesterday 16:31

Do people really do flirty / affair talk chat on a work Teams chat?
Bet IT love checking the records on those...

Yes, they do. You’d be amazed at what people having affairs do and the risks they take.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 06:19

Saintsgirl7 · Today 05:55

Our IT company have just managed to restore 6 years worth of teams messages, it can be done.
Hope you get your answers OP.

They can’t put them back into the Teams chat though - they can only be stored for records or investigations, so OP wouldn’t have access to them.

piscofrisco · Today 06:29

Pieandmashtwice · Yesterday 22:04

So sorry to hear you’re going through this. My DH had been messaging a woman colleague for over a year when I became suspicious and sneaked a look at his WhatsApp. Totally floored me; nothing sexual but her telling him how life at work would be nowhere near as wonderful without him there, how lucky she is to know him etc. and messages all times of day or night. Broke my heart pretty much. When I confronted him he focused on me looking at his messages and it was all just a joke or they were being ironic. I asked to look at them and he refused and deleted them anyway then changed his passcode.
I still don’t know what to think and am in a miserable limbo knowing he sees her everyday but I am being told to forget about it and then everything will be okay.
I hope you can be stronger than me, because I wish I’d stood my ground and listened to my instincts.

This happened to me too, and it ate away at me for years. Horrible way to live. The woman has now left the company and DH has admitted that the relationship had veered in to the inappropriate (but maintains that nothing happened which I do believe, more because he wouldn’t risk his job than anything else). I’ve mostly put it behind me, but if it were to happen again I’d be gone.

JenRummy · Today 06:47

Could it have been some seedy adult site he was on? Hence the messages, deletion and reaction?

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 06:52

JenRummy · Today 06:47

Could it have been some seedy adult site he was on? Hence the messages, deletion and reaction?

No, definitely work teams. She works in the admin department.

OP posts:
somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 06:54

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 06:52

No, definitely work teams. She works in the admin department.

You should also have a read through Chump Lady dot com - she rips all the usual excuse making apart and discusses adultery for what it actually is - abuse.

Her tag line is Lose a cheater, gain a life. From one of her recent pieces

https: // chumplady dot com/couldnt-forgive-mistake/

"You could initiate a divorce because he’s a blameshifting jerk. That’s completely acceptable...you’re in a difficult position many other chumps have found themselves in — feeling chumped, but without enough evidence to feel justified in divorce.

Now, we can attack this problem two ways. The first would be to focus on getting the evidence you need to come to some sort of burden-of-proof tipping point. To do that, you go into marriage police overdrive — invest in all the snoop technology, or just hire a private detective. Chances are that “nagging feeling” will result in some sickening evidence.

The other way to attack this problem is to realize that you have enough evidence already to Trust That He Sucks. Put the focus back on yourself and off What He Might Be Doing for a moment — is this relationship acceptable to YOU? Do you feel respected? Cherished? Loved? Do you trust this man?...

And people who shift blame have sht to feel defensive about. The authentically remorseful, on the other hand, own their sht. “I betrayed you, and you have every right to feel flinchy. What can I do to make you feel safe?” That would be a sht-owning statement. “Why aren’t you over this?! Quit punishing me!” would not be a sht-owning sentiment.

So cheating or not cheating, you’ve got a husband who appears to be unaware of how damaging his emotional affair was, how it hurt you, and destroyed your trust in him. Very best case scenario, you have a willfully clueless husband who doesn’t care about your feelings.

Can you work with that? From where I sit, I don’t think so, because you’ve given me no indication that he’s helping you heal or owning his sh*t.
So what’s my “theory” about emotional affairs? I think they are destabilizing to a marriage and disrespectful.

Even if affairs stop at “just” emotional, they can be a form of abuse.

To keep you off-balance, to goad you into pick me dancing, and to endanger your sense of person safety. Do that long enough, it erodes your self-esteem, and he feels he can control you. All forms of abusive entitlement, IMO.
Cynical Chump Lady thinks 9 times out of 10, emotional affairs are what cheaters cop to when you haven’t caught them in a physical affair. Adults like to have seggs. Most men do not invest themselves in another person they’re attracted to unless they want to shag this person. They don’t hold hands and read Kirkegaard together. They don’t go to hotel rooms for Bible study. Nor are they swapping Grumpy Cat memes because they’re buddies — they’re doing the mating dance."

Yep, most people caught in "emotional" affairs very definitely have had sex, but they will only own up to what they really have to own up to. And for those who were caught before they had sex - that was always the plan.

F63C · Today 06:54

CoffeeRevelsfan · Yesterday 17:48

im back home, he’s pulling the woe is me face. He again told me there was absolutely nothing going on and he has no idea why he reacted like that. I continued to press him for what caused his reaction and why Neil from work was actually Joanna. He has eventually admitted the messages were of a nature that could be “construed” as flirting, and has admitted he has deleted them as “he panicked”. I am furious and gutted all at once, the main stab in the heart is his refusal and reluctance to prove he was anything other than guilty. Really don’t know where I go from here.

He's now had a chance to delete everything and re-frame everything. All you can do now is dig some more.

Personally I wouldn't bother. I would be asking for evidence from him directly that he is not cheating and if he fails to provide, I would be going for a trial separation to see how it all pans out. If he makes huge effort to keep the marriage that is one thing. If he keeps the situation and not you. You have your answer.

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 06:55

Thank you all for the replies. I’ve not slept a wink. He’s still not tried to talk to me about it or explain it away, just silence which I’m finding deafening. I want to scream at him. He’s getting ready to leave for work, I am going to tell him I don’t want him here and he needs to find somewhere else to stay for the time being. He’s away to visit family from Thursday-Sunday then away with work for 2 weeks from Monday.

OP posts:
somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 07:00

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 06:55

Thank you all for the replies. I’ve not slept a wink. He’s still not tried to talk to me about it or explain it away, just silence which I’m finding deafening. I want to scream at him. He’s getting ready to leave for work, I am going to tell him I don’t want him here and he needs to find somewhere else to stay for the time being. He’s away to visit family from Thursday-Sunday then away with work for 2 weeks from Monday.

Away with the woman he's sleeping with? That's awful for you. Use the time to get yourself sorted with a lawyer and figure out how to get rid of him.

He's trying to make you play the pick me dance at the moment. He thinks he has other options.

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 07:03

somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 07:00

Away with the woman he's sleeping with? That's awful for you. Use the time to get yourself sorted with a lawyer and figure out how to get rid of him.

He's trying to make you play the pick me dance at the moment. He thinks he has other options.

No, this is an offshore trip, she definitely won’t be there. Doesn’t stop them messaging each other though!

OP posts:
somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 07:04

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 07:03

No, this is an offshore trip, she definitely won’t be there. Doesn’t stop them messaging each other though!

Yeah. I am really sorry. You really should read through Chump Lady dot com, it's a different perspective.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 07:05

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 06:55

Thank you all for the replies. I’ve not slept a wink. He’s still not tried to talk to me about it or explain it away, just silence which I’m finding deafening. I want to scream at him. He’s getting ready to leave for work, I am going to tell him I don’t want him here and he needs to find somewhere else to stay for the time being. He’s away to visit family from Thursday-Sunday then away with work for 2 weeks from Monday.

I think that’s sensible OP. You need space to be able to think clearly. As l said upthread, this is not on you to forgive and forget, it’s up to him to prove there was nothing to forgive in the first place. I really don’t see how he can do that now, and to be honest l don’t think that would be any different even if he hadn’t deleted the messages. There was clearly something in them he didn’t want you to see otherwise he wouldn’t have reacted as he did. And how they ‘could be construed’ doesn’t explain anything. So sorry you’re going through this. I’ve been through similar - we got past it but it shook my world at the time and took a long time to re-establish trust.

F63C · Today 07:07

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 07:03

No, this is an offshore trip, she definitely won’t be there. Doesn’t stop them messaging each other though!

I think you have made the right decision. The ball is in his court. If he continues to ignore a situation that is clearly devastating to you, that tells you all you need to know.

Men often 'sleepwalk' into living in a cold damp bedsit wondering WTF happened to their lives without the tiniest inkling that they have brought it all on themselves. Don't be with a knobber like that @CoffeeRevelsfan If he doesn't care about how upset you are. He doesn't deserve you. He certainly doesn't deserve you turning a blind eye to this sort of thing.

Papoy · Today 07:11

Probably he deleted the messages. Ask him to come clean, if he doesn't tell him you will both contact Joanna (she must be on LinkedIn connected to the company) and the HR/IT team to look into what you have been talking about at company time.

I don't necessarily suggest you do those things but ... You know, this could get him talking !

CanOnlyBeMyself · Today 07:23

Ugh men and their fragile egos. Yes he’s cheating, if ‘only’ emotionally. I’m fairly sure at this point they all are but they gaslight even themselves into thinking it’s harmless because it suits them too much for them to want to stop. They’re not prepared to understand the damage they cause. In their world their needs matter more than our sanity.

I hope you’re ok OP. I haven’t rtft but I’d recommend getting rid if he won’t let you read the messages. Don’t put yourself through it.

Horses7 · Today 07:25

I would want to speak to this Joanna - without a doubt.
Is it possible she could be seeing him whilst he’s away - this was my first suspicion.
You sound strong and sensible even if you don’t feel like it at the moment (and far too good for him).
You have time to think this through and decide if you have a future with H after he’s lied to you (and possibly worse).
Wishing you the very best - none of this is your fault, hold your head high and do what is best for you.
Remember your 16 year old could be moving out in 2 years, he’ll certainly have his own life.
You’ll get lots of good advice here (some not so good!) but it will help you make your decisions.

2026letsgo · Today 07:26

My experience is that men admit it when they get asked to leave or their DW leaves and they want to come back.
Otherwise its lies and/or justification for as long as it suits them.

You don’t believe him. He’s got rid of the proof. I would be taking steps to leave if only because he might fight for the relationship. It’s coercive to stay with someone you don’t trust and hang it over them.

TheBlueKoala · Today 07:28

@CoffeeRevelsfan Don't do ANYTHING for the time being. You're not in a state to make any longterm decisions. Bide your time, think things through while he's away and...pry...

CoffeeRevelsfan · Today 07:29

he's left for work now, and I’ve told him he needs to find somewhere else for the time being - he actually asked me why!! I told him that he’s the one that’s thrown in the grenade and it’s him that needs to untangle the mess it’s left behind and prove that it’s all innocent - which he can’t do as he deleted everything which to me speaks volumes.

OP posts:
somewhereovertherainbow26 · Today 07:31

2026letsgo · Today 07:26

My experience is that men admit it when they get asked to leave or their DW leaves and they want to come back.
Otherwise its lies and/or justification for as long as it suits them.

You don’t believe him. He’s got rid of the proof. I would be taking steps to leave if only because he might fight for the relationship. It’s coercive to stay with someone you don’t trust and hang it over them.

Hahahahahaha! "It's coercive to be a normal, decent, faithful person in a marriage with an untrustworthy person and not trust them". Lol, no. Not on any planet, not on any timeline, not in any universe.

If the cheater wants to leave, they can leave. If the person who has been betrayed tries to make them stay - now THAT's coercive.

CanOnlyBeMyself · Today 07:33

I would say you need to apply ‘koagac’ (kick out and get a cat). It’s the update on ‘ltb’ bearing in mind an increasing amount of us have our own place and finances and don’t need to ‘leave’ when men mess up.

Mumoff5 · Today 07:34

I have sent you a pm hun