Archers spoilers or Archers spoiled? You decide. Thread the Second

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And so it continues. We still have one long-term prediction from the start of the last thread that has not yet come to pass - the burning down of Lower Loxley.

But there is still time...

Pip gets bad news - thank goodnesss!

Yes, but 'Rob acquires new ammunition' had better refer to a pheasant shoot or else I'm switching off.

Anisha giving opinion on Bartleby. Surely she can't change jobs and living place so quickly? Wouldn't she have to give at least a month's notice at old work?

Pip gets bad news - too much to hope it's something like 'I'm so sorry, Pip, there's bad news about Toby. He went foraging on the Downs and a freak gust of wind filled his carrier bag and carried him off to sea. Rex is very upset and has gone to be with his parents.' - never to be heard from again.

Thanks, Gump!

Maybe Bartlett has a future as a super stud, earning the Grundys millions a la Love Rat in Jilly Cooper's Mount...

Kate's efforts are assessed..... on Trip Advisor?

Kate's panto efforts surely?

*Radio Times
12-18 November

Lynda needs to save the Christmas production from Kate's talent show idea. But with only 24 hours to go until the first rehearsal, she's still missing the lead. Can she find the dame of all dame's to take on the role of Mother Goose?

Helen discovers that a friend of Henry's is having a birthday party - but he's not invited. Could it be that Henry is being shunned because his mother was accused of attempted murder? As for the ever blinkered Rob - well, he's laying down the law to Tony about his visiting times with Jack. The gall of the man!

Help is at hand (or should that be at hoof?) for poor Bartleby, after Anisha recommends an alternative course to treat the pony's arthritis. *

TOTAL TV GUIDE 12 - 18 NOV 2016

Tony's fuming when Rob revisits the subject of altering access time with Jack to suit his new working hours.

Helen has food for thought about Henry after an update from Kaz.

The little boy may not be talking about her ex anymore, but has he forgotten him?

Lynda wants to rescue the Christmas show from Kate's talent competition idea, but the leading dame eludes her.

Anisha faces a major obstacle to becoming Alistair's business partner - winning over Joe Grundy!

When Shula confesses to Elizabeth that her feelings for Richard Locke were a fantasy, she doesn't know what to think.

Maybe Rob's ammunition will be the missing firework 😳

More spoilers!

11 Nov. Justin shows his cards, and Jazzer makes a point.

13 Nov. Tony needs a favour, and Kate's efforts are assessed.
14 Nov. Lynda rolls up her sleeves, and Susan needs everyone looking their best.
15 Nov. Shula surprises Elizabeth, and Anisha gives her opinion on Bartleby.
16 Nov. Helen worries for Henry, and Adam has high hopes.
17 Nov. Brian struggles to look on the bright side, and Pip keeps Toby's feet on the ground.
18 Nov. Rob makes his demands, and Kenton is accosted.

20 Nov Helen and Pat have interesting reading, and battlelines are drawn at Home Farm.
21 Nov. The Grundys pull out all the stops, and Jennifer is caught in the middle.
22 Nov. Rob acquires new ammunition, and Alan has a job on his hands.
23 Nov. Tony's patience is tested, and Elizabeth fishes for information.
24 Nov Lilian has to face the music, and Pip gets bad news.
25 Nov. David serves an ultimatum, and Alistair moves forward.

27 Nov Brian shares his vision, and Pip sticks up for Toby.
28 Nov Lilian puts Justin in the picture, while Susan frets about her family photo shoot.
29 Nov Ruth fires a warning shot, and it's a big day for the Carters.
30 Nov Lynda has some reluctant players, and Toby sweetens the deal.
01 Dec Elizabeth turns down an offer, and Jolene makes a suggestion.
02 Dec Roy has some unwanted attention, and Brian asserts his authority.

If the BBC website cast list can be trusted (which I doubt), Rob doesn't feature in that last week. Too much to hope this is because he's left or carked it, I suppose.

Rob's 'ammunition' will be finding out about Justin and Lillian! (Jenny caught in the middle, battle lines at Home Farm etc).

Hmm I think the Home Farm battleground thing is probably about Adam's disappointing grass or crop or whatever it is. That SL is pissing me off, I really wanted him to succeed with that.

I actually quite like that SL. Almost everything I know (or think I know) about farming comes from TA. I can believe that Adam is right but I can also believe that Brian and Justin are going to take a lot of convincing. Looking to the long term is hard when you're fixated on maximising profits every year. I hope in the end Adam does win out on this one.

Reading again, it looks like a big storyline pitting Brian against Justin with Lillian unwittingly in the middle. I predict tough times ahead for Lil who will probably find out that Justin's been using her for business purposes only. Brian may decide that she's no longer welcome at Home Farm.

Radio Times
19-25 November
Writer: Paul Brodrick
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Psychologists, eh? What do they know? Yes, you can just imagine Rob's reaction when he reads the conclusion of the report on his state of mind. But while the terrible Titchener is full of venom, Pat hopes that the findings could work in their favour at the next family court hearing.

But the Bridge Farm Archers would be naive to count Rob out just yet. He may have found some leverage after finding a scarf of Lillian's the Dower House. As he returns it, he subtly discloses that he knows of her affair with Justin. Lillian tries to brush off Rob's jibe but will this end up causing fresh upset for Helen's family?

Finally Brian astonishes Adam by calling time on the herbal leys. And Pip has to choose between Toby and Brookfield*

Blimey! Exciting times ahead next week. Pip choosing between Toby and Brookfield? Let's hope she chooses Toby and disappears with him and his still to Brighton, eh?

Thanks, Gump!

I don't really understand why the herbal lets issue has been revived. Surely when they made the decision to go with it they knew they would have to give it time? Having a panic and pulling the plug on it within a year is surely the worst of all possible worlds, to say nothing of pandering to bloody Rob.

Why is it such a big deal if Rob finds out about Lil and Justin? Justin's his boss so surely he would tell Rob to mind his own business and Lilian is a free agent anyway.

Indeed, Rob is given too much power by the scripwriters for knowing these secrets. Charlie backed down from his investigations at Berrow because of Rib's insinuations, Ian and Helen fell out because Knob 'let slip' about Adam, JD uncharacteristically got pissed and spilled the beans about Pawel. I'm sure there's more and it's just unrealistic.

I think that Rob will think that he's got one over on Fagash, but really, can you see Lil and the Bridge Farm lot say, 'Oh yes, Knob, have your son, and call him Gideon, rather than us having the embarrassment of an unattached member of our family getting some with your boss.'

I think it may be a massive miscalculation. Lil would never put Helen in an invidious position, and Tony wouldn't care, and Justin would tell him to piss off.

He'll be putting his new job in jeopardy if he tries anything with Lil!

A week ago I would have said Justin would be certain to side with Lill, but since we had ruthless Justin reappearing on Friday I'm no longer so sure.

I think it may be a massive miscalculation well let's hope so, but he's got away with so much in the past

28 Nov Lilian puts Justin in the picture

Hoping this means that Knob has indeed made a massive miscalculation.