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Prepping for internet outage, AI disaster, cyber attacks etc

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Prepwithmum · 14/09/2026 12:42

With all the news of AI escaping, possible Russian cyber attacks and disabling the Internet, is anyone else doing more now to prepare for near term SHTF. I don't mean all out death and destruction but the interim period where things like the banking system might fail or communication outages.

I always keep a little bit of cash at home, is anyone considering having a bigger stash? If so, how much?

How will you keep in touch with love ones if the systems go down?

I'm always stocked up with food and water, a few torches and not much else. What else should I consider?

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HoppityBun · Yesterday 17:26

Could I please remind everyone to remember about pet food. That’s for all pets. Rabbits, cats, birds, dogs.

And also perhaps think about the pets of older people who might not be thinking ahead. And remind them..

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:27

ThroughThickAndThin01 · Yesterday 17:23

What is the low down on this? Iran? I trust your posts Red!

Saudi Arabia and Yemen actually.

The Iran situation was largely manageable until the Yemenis hit the east-west bypass for the Strait of Hormuz. Then hit a bunch of other Saudi facilities and then finally the port of Yanbu (yes the name kills me every time), where there was a refinery and storage facilities.

They DID have 5 to 7 days of supply there which would have helped.

Now they don't. So the Saudis have cancelled a number of European orders due to arrive at the end of September/ beginning of October today.

The Saudis had said they would repair the pipe quickly. However it's since been attacked in multiple places, is vulnerable to other attacks and they don't have the parts to get all the pumping stations back to full capacity. So it's going to take a while.

On top of that you have civil unrest in Syria now, because the government had put up fuel prices. Syria matters because Iraq who had put up the largest increase in production was putting out their oil by road via Syria. Iraq was also the launching place (by Iranian aligned military) for at least one of the attacks on Saudi Arabia.

Going by road through Syria (if the Saudis had anything that is still functioning) would be one option (though they'd have to do some diplomacy). Except now unrest. Makes it more complex and expensive.

So it's now not all about Iran but wider instabilities in the Middle East. There's a lack of grasp on this. Oil markets needed stability. That's gone. God knows for how long.

Add to this refining capacity world wide for diesel. The US is currently operating at max capacity. Then one of their bigger refineries broke down yesterday. That's going to have an impact. The diesel they do import comes from (and you will like this) Canada. Today the US said it was considering banning exports of diesel.

Now the UK refines 50% of our diesel. The majority of the rest comes from the Netherlands. With some coming from the US and the remainder from the Middle East. But Europe has an overall lack of capacity. So basically when we run out of reserves (which have been lower due to the situation already) we start to have a problem because there's ultimately going to be shortages world wide. That means huge price spikes.

What do we use diesel for? Trains, tractors and trucks. These are kinda crucial.

This is without talking about the fertiliser crisis which is now already baked into next year's yields. Saudi was one of the biggest exports to Europe and North Africa. This spells famine for some. That spells more unrest elsewhere. That spells already problems.

So yeah.

I'm alarmed at how low it currently is on the news cycle. It should be higher.

It will get higher, especially with that Saudi news today.

Gas reserves across Europe are much lower than they should be too. Hence massive prices. 20% + on the Energy Price cap come Jan is what Martin Lewis is saying. So budget for this NOW.

If we get a warm winter it will likely be wet and cause flooding cos El Nino so I'm not sure that's a curse or a blessing if there's issues already.

This all means Burnham's budget plans are likely all going to go out the window and there's a high chance we'll be back into another crisis management situation. I really hope not but I've been watching this develop over the last two weeks with increasing concerns.

As for AI? AI is an energy eating monster... Energy eating monsters + fuel crisis? Perhaps isn't the combination that suggests we are all going to die in six months.

I'm far more worried about more concrete and old skool issues at this point personally

There's also not a huge amount we can do to prepare for this type of disruption. Battery packs, torches, food you can eat cold if god forbid we do get as deep as rolling blackouts (which they've been suggesting are possible for a couple of years), solar panels, more supplies in the house if we can't get to the shops as regularly/ there's less stock on the shelves due to shortages. But there's really limits.

Keeping in mind that the Red Sea is now effectively a pinch point for any shipping going through from China to Europe due to the Yemenis (Shein and Temu just got a lot more expensive and delivery times longer).

Oh and I've not mentioned how the Russians keep targeting power stations in the EU have I? Nor petrol stations in Ukraine so they are going to need support with energy too.

Yeah. A right fucking mess. You probably have already notices prices of petrol go up this week. That's going to feed inflation.

Yeah. Big squeeze one way or another I suspect.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:29

Tel12 · 14/09/2026 14:27

Printed list of contacts too. I'm guessing that supermarkets won't be open if the tills are out so not sure how much cash will be useful. £200??

Cash.

Think about what notes/coins you have.

There will be a lack of change!

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:30

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 16:27

Don’t understand this obsession with cash. Even the simplest shop won’t be able to function without electricity as attested by my cash loving local hardware store. My understanding is you need 72 hours worth of food and drinking water. We have extra gas for our bbq so we can boil water / cook food on that. Tins and bottled water.

Also.

Bar codes.

Cash is great but how does the shop add the prices in an era of no sticky labels.

BlackeyedSusan · Yesterday 19:36

I keep cash in small denominations and change.
Wind up/solar/battery radio
Power banks (which I do need to recharge, oops)
Good store of food, drinks, and other household items. (Still got Brexit stash bog roll.) This is so I don't have to go out shopping for much. Worked during COVID.
Don't have smart appliances. (Depending which bit of infrastructure goes down)
Lanterns. Some solar, some wind up and some battery.
Disposable BBQ and stand plus Kelly Kettle for cooking. Sun oven. You
Keep the car topped up with petrol.

CombatBarbie · Yesterday 20:02

@ifonly4 pets who are contained, reptiles, etc won't be considered a priority, however I am an animal lover and have a snake who needs temperature control. I live rurally and run entirely on electric so have a generator and several army jerry cans of petrol.

FindingMeno · Yesterday 21:47

I feel relatively sorted on the water, food, heat, light and cooking front for a sensible period of time. It's communications that's leaving me head scratching.
Anyone got a clever solution for if mobile phone towers (or whatever they are) go out of action?

danglethedingle · Yesterday 21:51

FindingMeno · Yesterday 21:47

I feel relatively sorted on the water, food, heat, light and cooking front for a sensible period of time. It's communications that's leaving me head scratching.
Anyone got a clever solution for if mobile phone towers (or whatever they are) go out of action?

This would be a problem for us too, they have taken our landline away as well. I can't think of a solution.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Yesterday 22:20

Why don’t we reopen our own North Sea oil. It would take the edge of these kinds of situations.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 22:31

FindingMeno · Yesterday 21:47

I feel relatively sorted on the water, food, heat, light and cooking front for a sensible period of time. It's communications that's leaving me head scratching.
Anyone got a clever solution for if mobile phone towers (or whatever they are) go out of action?

Have a land line.

FinanceLPlates · Today 03:06

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 22:31

Have a land line.

I think landlines are now also essentially using the internet (VoIP) so I don’t think they are going to fare any better?

www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-transition-from-analogue-to-digital-landlines

GentleSheep · Today 08:44

Cash only will have limited uses after a short time, barter will become more important. People may have enough tomato soup or baked beans but are gasping for coffee and didn't think to store any sugar, salt or oil. Depends on what storage space you have but there are definitely items that people will want and will trade for during a crisis. However the other side of that is you've got to be careful not to let people know how much you have stashed away or else you'll be a target.

Communication, you could get some walkie talkies but even the better ones only do up to around 10km. Satellite phone is the best as it avoids mobile phone towers, but who has one of those? Ham radio - you'd need a licence if you want to transmit. Most of us will be able only to listen in to any broadcast if we have a basic radio.

GentleSheep · Today 08:48

Oh and P.S. for those new to prepping - it's one of those things where you are never done because there's always some other emergency you could prep for or other items you could have. At some point you have to draw a line and that line is likely decided by your storage space and how much money you have to spend on preps and whether you need essential life-saving medicine or not.

HoppityBun · Today 08:48

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 22:31

Have a land line.

From 1 January they’ll be internet based, won’t they?

HoppityBun · Today 08:50

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:30

Also.

Bar codes.

Cash is great but how does the shop add the prices in an era of no sticky labels.

Shops were selling things before sticky labels! Like, for centuries. You just put the price on the shelf and customers take items to the till. Then they ring it up. So I suppose we go back to old-fashioned cash registers 🤷‍♀️

Have I misunderstood what you’re asking?

RedToothBrush · Today 08:52

HoppityBun · Today 08:50

Shops were selling things before sticky labels! Like, for centuries. You just put the price on the shelf and customers take items to the till. Then they ring it up. So I suppose we go back to old-fashioned cash registers 🤷‍♀️

Have I misunderstood what you’re asking?

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How long is that going to take? The til is powered by electricity. How does the person at the check out know what is written on the shelf?

Think a little harder on this.

We do not have the infrastructure to 'just go back to cash registers' in the midst of a power outage.

GentleSheep · Today 09:23

I think the corner shop will quickly be relieved of its goods either politely or under threat as the days go by. Even just with people saying apologetically 'look I've got nothing to give the kids to eat, I'll pay you back once this is over!' and taking a few tins, perhaps they put a few coins on the counter. Hunger drives irrational behaviour, too.

RedToothBrush · Today 09:25

GentleSheep · Today 09:23

I think the corner shop will quickly be relieved of its goods either politely or under threat as the days go by. Even just with people saying apologetically 'look I've got nothing to give the kids to eat, I'll pay you back once this is over!' and taking a few tins, perhaps they put a few coins on the counter. Hunger drives irrational behaviour, too.

Shop lifting is already rife.

GentleSheep · Today 09:26

RedToothBrush · Today 09:25

Shop lifting is already rife.

It is.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · Today 09:35

I've starting printing out the Internet, just in case. There's a surprising amount of information and pictures in it. In fact I've just run out of paper and I had bought five reams from Rymans - clearly not enough, as I am still on AARDVARK.

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