Channel 4 undercover re Farage

[Ihateboris]

Oh dear...how's he going to explain this?
Https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-nigel-farage-filmed-undercover-celebrating-secret-new-foreign-donations

@RedTagAlan

d) remembered the figures from the August. Wasn’t aware YouGov updates more frequently.

For information, I voted Labour in 2024 for the first time since 1997. Not because I thought they were the best, but to get the conservatives out.

Labour actually received fewer votes in 2024 than in 2019, but more than doubled the number of seats won. Further evidence that poll percentages can’t be used to foretell the outcome of a general election.

Yeah, was it that one ? I remember watching some results show or other and the polls were just so wildly out that I resolved never to trust a poll again. Have I got this right.....was Reform recently engaging with some poll company that was putting it at the top through a corrupt masssaging of the figures ?

I don't think the poll company is accused of using dodgy numbers. The issue is that they allegedly hid who paid for it.

So you did not check before you made your claim. Gosh it took a lot to get that out.

Would it not just have been easier to say that when called out ? " Oops, my mistake sorry, I should have checked".

I mean it's not as if anything has happened recently that could have impacted the polls.

@RedTagAlan

Polls can’t be used to foretell the outcome of a general election as history has demonstrated. So, I don’t follow why people get so hung up over them.

If they are considered accurate, why bother with general elections?

Ok. Same difference maybe. Just corruption.

Who is hung up over polls ?

It is honesty I care about. And about people just doing the easiest fact checks before they make claims. And if they get caught out, I find a "hand up and a sorry", works better than more handwaving than at a human powered flight convention... being held next door to a squirrel sanctuary.

Yup. Misleading the public. It turns out polling companies have rules their governing body sets. And conflict of interest over funding is in those rules.

It's no problem if Whiskas pays a polling company to do a poll to prove their " 8 out of ten cat owners who expressed a preference said their cat prefers it" claim. But the poll company have to say who paid for it.

Horrific

www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/OOAaP6rlWR

You should have seen the justifications from many on MN, majority female posters I would assume.

Yes, and the unnecessary assault, by Reform conference attendees, exacerbated by the laughing of Farage, the 'jokes' of Anderson and comments of Jenrick. They don't like women, do they?

I'd say they absolutely despise women. We're living in scary times. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but very Handmaids Tale

As a second reply sorry. I would says polls would work very well for reform.

Say you have a number of swaying voters. Unsure if they should vote reform or not. You know, because they don't really want to admit to friends and family they voted Reform. Then they see a poll saying 40% of the people in their constituency plan to vote reform. Then they might say " oh that's ok then". They are, and so will I.

Because polls used as Reform used one, and planned to use again, can be a tool to "normalize" certain things.

That is pretty much what this thread is about. Being dishonest to the electorate.

@RedTagAlan

You know, because they don't really want to admit to friends and family they voted Reform

How can it be known that people are afraid to admit which party they voted for?

More significantly, where is it stated that people have to reveal how and why they voted?

I thought freedom to choose who to vote for was called democracy.

That is pretty much what this thread is about. Being dishonest to the electorate.

This has happened throughout history. It might explain why the turnout in general elections has declined. Maybe it also explains why there is little trust in politicians.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/reform-party-conference-assaults-police-37641070?

Police launch investigation into five assaults at Reform conference after clips shared online

when questioned about the attack Reform UK's economic spokesperson Robert Jenrick said: "Oh boohoo. Get a life. You take your chances if you go to a party conference and try to mess it up."

Is he warning us what will happen to us if we have a different view to Reform UK?

@BrandiedAromatics

Is he warning us what will happen to us if we have a different view to Reform UK?

email him and ask.

Voting is done by secret ballot. So, there is no way anyone can know how someone voted. Hence, nothing to be afraid of.

Whilst violence will not solve anything, there is always a risk a crowd can turn violent when protesters appear. So, rather than take a risk, why don’t they use their most powerful form of objection and don’t vote for those they disagree with?

You are saying people should not protesst? A democratic right?

How Putin like

@DuncinToffee

You are saying people should not protesst? A democratic right?

No. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The best form of protest is not to vote for parties you don’t like.

In your opinion.

The right to protest is a fundamental cornerstone of any democratic society. Saying people should stay quiet to avoid being assaulted is a dangerous course to take.

I don't wish to have any contact with someone who says you take your chances if you express dissent with his views. As @RedTagAlan has said this thread has been about being dishonest to the electorate. Well, at least I can see what would happen if I stood up and said I didn't agree with Rob Jenrick. And boo hoo if I got beaten up.

Another theme for me in this thread has been these far-right politicians who aspire to an extreme form of authoritarianism, sometimes in the guise of harking back to an idealised Christian Europe perspective.

But it's OK for Reform supporters to protest about immigrants

Apparently their concerns are not listened to at the ballot box.

Put on a balaclava and attack emergency workers, vehicles, houses, hotels and it becomes 'understandable'

@DuncinToffee

Saying people should stay quiet to avoid being assaulted is a dangerous course to take.

No such statement was made. Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. This is democracy. However, attempts to block people from having their say is not democratic I would say.

Remember that voting came about so differences of opinion were settled peacefully. Prior to that they were settled on the battlefield.

We are talking about peaceful protesters being assaulted. You said they shouldn't take the risk.