Channel 4 undercover re Farage

[Ihateboris]

Oh dear...how's he going to explain this?
Https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-nigel-farage-filmed-undercover-celebrating-secret-new-foreign-donations

Hypocrites, the lot of them.

@DuncinToffee

You said they shouldn't take the risk.

Misquote. What was said was:

So, rather than take a risk, why don’t they use their most powerful form of objection and don’t vote for those they disagree with?

Regards

Put on a balaclava and attack emergency workers, vehicles, houses, hotels and it becomes 'understandable'

Both Nigel Farage and Zia Yusef have expressed their disapproval of events in Dover and Portsmouth

@Ihateboris

But it's OK for Reform supporters to protest about immigrants

Yes. If done peacefully anyone can protest regardless of which party they support.

Oh now come on. It's never done peacefully. And it's always done in a very intimidating manner, and always en masse

Right, I used 'should'instead of 'rather'

Voting only comes around every so many years, it would be advisable for people to choose to stay away from peaceful protest in case some pensioner with a stick takes offence?

@Ihateboris

So, what is the solution? Protests against immigration are not confined solely to the UK. They are happening in the EU too.

That wasn't the point of my post. I was merely pointing out that it's OK for protests against immigrants to cause disruption to the public, but it's not acceptable for people to vocalize their concerns about the provenance of £5m?

On polls. I was browsing GB news earlier. And GB news has a thing of having old stories in the side banner or under. This was there.

Nigel Farage would WIN key seat in general election as he admits he's 'seriously' considering standing - eye-opening new poll (gbnews.com)

And the story is about a poll in Clacton indicating he would win there... before he decided to pack his carpet bag and " move" there.

Looks to me like Farage is a fan of polls. Indeed, at the end of that article, Farage is quoted saying -

"I don’t suppose that is the only place that would produce that result and I have to make a huge decision about what I want to do."

"Do I want to be an influencer … or do I want to put my kit on again and get back on the pitch? I haven’t decided, but I have to say to you that this poll does make the balance of probabilities towards getting back on the pitch stronger."

Note the last bit - "....but I have to say to you that this poll does make the balance of probabilities towards getting back on the pitch stronger."

The Story is dated Jan 2024. The 5 mill was paid in April 2024. I wonder if that "gift" helped persuade him.

Now, an interesting thing is a company called Survation done that poll. But GB news does not link to it. More on that later.

But anyway. Farage likes polls. But the article does say this,

"A survey commissioned by Arron Banks, a ex-Ukip donor who also played a key role alongside Farage during the Brexit referendum, suggested that the GB News presenter would easily win in the constituency of Clacton in Essex."

Oh. So Banks paid for it. He must like polls too.

The GB news article also says "The new poll claims that if Nigel Farage was to stand in Clacton at the next election he would win 37 per cent of the vote, beating the incumbent by ten percentage points."

And in the interest of fairness, and to show my thinking here, although GB news did not link the poll. I found it anyway. And I downloaded it in excel format. and it is all totally pukka. Seems that way to me anyway. Of course, the download does not contain cell formula, but all looks totally fine. I am not a pollster, but there is nothing that jumps out as being off. But hey, Clacton did vote 73% leave.

So it is a fair bet the poll would say what it did. And if it did not, no matter, the person who paid for it (Banks), did not need to publish it.

Link to poll data download page.

Survation | 2024 | Survation

@DuncinToffee

I would say that trying to prevent someone having their say is more like disruption than peaceful.

Police are investigating, but from what I can find she has not come forward and made a complaint?

A peaceful disruption, heckling with words not violence.

It happens at every conference, it happens at political gatherings.

Farage was prepared.
Security already stepped in
Yet Reform members assaulted her.

You still seem to suggest she should have kept quiet and brought it on herself.

News just in

The Metropolitan Police is carrying out a criminal investigation into allegations Reform UK broke the law in relation to foreign funding, following a broadcast by Channel 4 News last week.

Still a breaking story at the moment. Doubtless it will be updated as time goes on.

Police launch criminal investigation into Reform UK donations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3k72k1y3vo

BBC News - Police launch criminal investigation into Reform UK donations
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3k72k1y3vo

You beat me to it!

Sorry. Edit to my above post re the Clacton poll. Yes, the poll looks totally fine and pukka, but what I forgot to mention, is that 37% was the best score Farage got. That score was for " Respondents likely to vote, weighted additionally by likelihood to vote(v1), with undecided and refused removed"

GB news were being cheeky when they said this "The new poll claims that if Nigel Farage was to stand in Clacton at the next election he would win 37 per cent of the vote, beating the incumbent by ten percentage points."

Because those undecided voters had been taken out. For respondents likely to vote, including undecided, Farage got 27%. They took the undecided out to get their 37%

I don't see that as a poll methodology thing. That is reporting.

I think one could argue if that is dishonest or not. I am meh. But GB news did misrepresent by omitting the BASE.

Tim Montgomerie was discussing how he saw that Reform head office use every day people's donations to get business class flights and "entertain" people at various London clubs...
No surprises to most of us that there is a lack of financial oversight by this party.

@DuncinToffee

UK definitions are:

peaceful means to be free of disturbance

disruption means disturbance or problems which interrupt an event.

So, a peaceful disruption does not seem possible. However, more significantly the woman has not come forward to make a complaint. Bit odd that.

Was it foreign funding that Farage received? I remember one poster saying that the donor, Christopher Harborne, had declared himself UK resident at the time of the donation. Maybe that makes no difference?

If Farage is found guilty of wrong doing, then he must face the consequences.

@DuncinToffee beat us both!

A poster on a different thread alerted me, can't take the credit.

The West Midlands police is satisfied enough to start an investigation.

Are you now suggesting people should not heckle?

😂😂

Tim Montgomerie would know these things. He doesn't seem to have any scruples over taking Hungarian public money, funded by processing Russian oil, to express his views.

@EEexpat , Farage is being investigated for failing to declare Harborne's £5 quid donation.

Not for where Harborne lived at the time. Anyone trying to make it about that is trying to distract you.

In fact I've noticed it's a general technique with Reform. Continually declaring themselves Not Guilty of something slightly different from what they've been accused of.

Could I please ask for a link for that, if you have one to hand?

Reform's upper echelons might enjoy hanging out with glitzy millionaires (or indeed being glitzy millionaires) in Mediterranean tax havens or Dubai, but they shouldn't lose sight of the impact of their behaviour on ordinary supporters at the grass roots.

@PerkingFaintly It is the last segment on WATO from today https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00316yv

@DuncinToffee

UK definition of heckle is:

interrupt (a performer or public speaker) with mocking, abusive or humorous comments.

The BBC QT host, Fiona Bruce, has to stop regularly as if everyone talks at the same time, nobody can hear the answers. Anna Soubry made a similar comment on QT that people should be allowed to speak without being shouted down otherwise a sensible debate is not possible.

On that logic, I would say heckling shouldn’t happen. However, it does all the time.

Latest from West Midlands police is that none of the people who were attacked have come forward. Seems strange.