webchat with "loons, fruitcakes and racists"

[glasnost]

Is it ok for MN to be hosting a webchat with someone branded the above by our PM?

It's OK for me but I still think we're in danger of becoming inured to and anaesthetised by these neo right political parties. All across Europe xenophobic, isolationist parties are on the rise and UKIP has some pretty awful allies in the European parliament. The envelope is constantly being pushed in terms of what's acceptable and what's not and we should be more vigilant.

I didn't know that they'd invited themselves for the webchat though and I'm not saying they should be censored.

Soon there won't be anyone alive who witnessed the holocaust firsthand which makes it even more necessary to stay alert re. these extremists.

yes, I agree entirely.

I'm new to this, didn't realise there was a separate forum to debate politics, so I can continue where I left off on the webchat topic.

I must say, this Glasnost person is chatting utter rubbish. Firstly, I have never read the Daily Mail in my life, secondly, Nigel Farage is not xenophobic, and neither am I. Shouting racist at someone because you do not understand their argument is most intolerant and ignorant.

If you used your head, you'd realise the reason why Cameron made that comment was because he was scaremongering. Many Tory voters were turning to UKIP and he was doing his best to put them off.

We are a party of all races and religions, and are widely recognised as a classical liberal party. Opposition to the EU does not mean hating Europe. I love Europe, which is why I hate the EU for what it is doing to Europe.

Goodnight and good luck Kitto

Ah I've had worse. When I was in living in Germany, my flatmate was a Communist, far to the left of any of these lot.

I shall be glad when Farage has spoken Such a lot of shite is written here it's unbelievable.

Kitto, Do the swivel eyes and foaming mouth come with a membership of UKIP or do you have to have your own.

UKIP not full of little englander xenophobes! right and the bears dont shit in the woods.

Well I don't have swivel eyes or a foaming mouth (although I may do soon, food is now on my mind).

Care to explain how UKIP is full of little Englander xenophobes? We have several members who wouldn't consider themselves English - ie Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish, even Cornish ones.

Would you like to explain HOW I am xenophobic, or will you just act like a rabid attack dog?

Kitto or farage's press secretary or spokesperson or whoever you are. Your party is xenopbobic and racist. You can fool the English who know bugger all about European matters and splutter at the thought of johnny foreigners but over here on the continent we know what you get up to in the European parliament and who your unsavoury allies are.

You're on the Brussels gravy train with the rest of the nominally anti Europe parties so are especially hypocritical.

Again, care to explain how the party is xenophobic or racist?

Also, drop the patronising attitude. I have lived, studied and worked over on the continent, so you can drop all that little Englander nonsense.

Newwave. If being a little Englander means that I want Britain to run Britain PLC then lots of people are. I am an Englander I was born in England. There are lots (loads) of different people in UKIP it's pure ignorance to condemn people you have NEVER met.
Would you condemn those nutters in the Labour Party who have broke the country? Many are swivel eyed and nutty on this site and they represent many differnt parties.

Many on her are bitter and twisted, I've seen posters called cxnts for saying they vote UKIP.
It's a sad state of affairs when people are bullied off MN.

And the fact you once lived in Germany and know what an umlaut is as mentioned on t'other thread does not a europhile of you make. Don't know who you think you can fool here on MN. We're an astute lot.

Besides, your comment is racist against English people, by implying that they know nothing of Europe. However, don't think you are truly a racist, merely someone trying to make puerile remarks. I hope I am right in giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Put it this way, I dont know that all BNP members are racist but my default position is that any I meet are. By that token my position regarding UKIP is that they are little englander xenophobes, you may indeed be a member/voter with some with connection to reality although they are as rare as hens teeth.

With regard to your Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish, even Cornish ones there are Sikhs in the BNP this does not change the stance of that party.

Evening Comp by the way :o

To clarify Glasnost, I hate the EU, but I love Europe. Besides, Europe =/= EU. I have visited non-EU European countries as well, such as Albania and Switzerland.

complimentary it's especially rich you talk about bullies when I've read posts from you recently calling poster dickheads and insinuating they're cows. Which illustrates the fact you UKIP types have quite infantile mindsets. Pot, kettle, black. Just like blaming foreigners for all our ills instead of looking closer to home.

It's a sad state of affairs when people are bullied off MN

Like you would let that happen to you, do behave.

Yes I do find it bizarre that Sikhs have joined BNP, I was chatting to a Sikh Labour member the other day, and neither of us could really comprehend it.

Of course the bulk of our membership comes from England, that's because England represents the largest part of the UK. We are not little Englanders in the slightest, we still want co-operation and trade with Europe, and with the rest of the world. You still haven't given me any reasons why I am racist, a xenophobe, or a Little Englander.

Glasnost, UKIP is not blaming foreigners, after all, it has been the UK politicians who have signed us up to these things.

Why don't you answer my point about your unsavoury allies in the European parliament?? Northern League in primis? They're overtly racist in Italy and have no need to cloak their racism in cuddly terms as you do in blighty. And stop using the word puerile. It's becming repetitive.

You still haven't given me any reasons why I am racist, a xenophobe, or a Little Englander

Because your a member/voter of UKIP although I did state:

Put it this way, I dont know that all BNP members are racist but my default position is that any I meet are. By that token my position regarding UKIP is that they are little englander xenophobes, you may indeed be a member/voter with some with connection to reality although they are as rare as hens teeth

Perhaps because your remarks are repetitively puerile...

OK, regarding our "allies" in the EuroParl. First of all, they are not really our allies; yes we're in the same group, but it is a very loose structure, and we very rarely vote along the same lines.

I'm not a UKIP employee or politician, so I can be truthful and say that I don't exactly like being associated with all those groups, but put it this way - if we didn't create a group, the BNP would have done so, and they would gained access to a lot of funding if that happened. I'm not trying to justify anything, I am merely giving my personal opinion.

Newwave, now explain how being a member if UKIP makes someone xenophobic, racist, or a Little Englander - I honestly don't know a single UKIP member that would fit this description.

Glasnost. I would only have a go at someone when they have ago at me. I would very rarly directly insult anyone. Glasnost I do not have an infantile mind, someitmes you have to use humour otherwise it turns into the mother of all battles and I've seen it here many times. I called her a dickhead in Italian and it was very tongue in cheek. Unlike you calling members of UKIP racist. I would never do that as I do not anyone on here personally, they IMHO have the right to post what they like.

Newwave. You are right for once!

At least you've admitted you're in the same group as Northern League in European Parliament. How do you justify that by saying it was necessary otherwise the BNP would have got the funding instead? That quite neatly sums up your money grabbing motivation for being there in the first place AND your political proximity to parties like BNP. (Them or us).

I hope alot of MNers will have read that. Thanks so much. I've nothing else to add.