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murray sorry the GP isn't too optimistic can I just as though... How may weeks are you? It's just that (too much time on my hands today) I had a little work out and if you are 5 weeks ish, although a little low 142 is still within the normal range and if they keep doubling you would be at over 2000 by 6+1(going by the 5 weeks assumption) at which point they can see things happening on the scan... I will be your optimistic PITA until proven otherwise...

AF hasn't arrived as yet... Il give it til the weekend and test...

I am lurking will be back to post this evening
Still got everything crossed for you murray and it sounds as if I have to do the same for you Marbles as you kept it uncrossed this month

Just when I thought things couldn't get worse... Gynaecologist looked at my hCG numers and said she has no reason to believe I have ectopic PG as I have no abdominal pain so just go on holiday and take a PG test when I get back - if in the meantime if I do have pain or bleeding pop in to EPU !!! And how the FUCK do I "pop in" when I'm in Spain ?!!! and how the FUCK do I enjoy 2 weeks in Spain with this hanging over me ?... I am so angry that I have just been dismissed. The MW who spoke to me was so abrupt and loud that I was in floods of tears - I eventually had to ask her to please stop shouting at me - a complete cow. I asked her if she would be happy going on holiday with a potential ectopic PG and she just kept repeating the line "this has gone to the very top and the consultant believes you have no reason to think this is ectopic". I have started 'bleeding' brown stuff - possibly old blood but more like brown disachargey stuff. The MW said that given I had "only just had a positive test" it was possibly a viable PG - NO I am now 2 weeks late which makes me almost 6 weeks PG and therefore the hCG levels are worryingly low. There seems to be some miscommunication in that they are unaware how far on I am but she wouldn't listen to me spouting some condescending crap about "there is a big window between intercourse and conception and cycle lengths can vary". YES I KNOW but I chart my BBT and know EXACTLY when I o'vd and did not have sex for over 2 weeks after OV therefore I CANNOT have conceived 2 weeks later than I think - arrghhhhh !!!! After almost half an hour of breaking my heart down the phone to the shouty MW she eventually gave me an emergency number to call over the weekend if my bleeding gets heavy or I have any pain.

I spoke to GP later this afternoon and she is just as annoyed as me as her and the other GP at the practise agree it looks ectopic and wanted me be scanned. She also said that if she were me she would not go on holiday as if something does go wrong I will not be covered by insurance (presumably because it is a pre-existing/known about condition). Gp has advised that I feign stomach pain and go up to hospital over the wknd ! She says she knows it is not the 'right' thing to do but it is the only way they will see me as she cannot overrule the consultant.

My next plan is to do a CBD in the morning. Given that my levels on Wed were 198 and I have a feeling PG symptoms have diminshed/disappeared since then and spotting started, I am hoping levels have dropped or at least not risen. The CBD measures 200 as 2-3 weeks so if tomorrow's test still shows 1-2 weeks then I will be happy that levels have not been rising since Weds... otherwise I will know that levels are higher than Weds (albeit it doesn't prove that they are still rising or by how much). I know it is not very scientific but it may help ease my mind - told GP my plan and she agreed worth a try.

Murray What a mess, thank goodness your GP has got some sense or you would be trying to figure this out all on your own. If the CBD shows 1-2 wks will you still "feign" stomach ache and go to the hospital? It does seem as though they are not listening to you, typical NHS where they know what they know and won't listen to anything else I am so sorry that this has turned into such a nightmare for you, I don't think you've had one glimmer of happiness since the late bfp, and the timing with your holiday etc couldn't be worse. I have no advice but will be here if you need me
Marbles At least you have some good news that you and dh are getting on better Wow to 5 years too, we have been through some stuff since the start!

CBD says 2-3 weeks so levels have risen since Weds . Going to cancel holiday. Feel absolutely fine - no niggles like I had been having - but then I was concerned the 'niggles' were partly me over-analyzing anyway ! May try feigning pain and if I am still fobbed off then I'll go privately - trans-vaginal scan is 350 so not too bad .

Good luck with the feigning, hope you can get some answers soon x

Murray any luck?

Hi Buddha, DP away at the football today and am feeling fine so decided to wait until tomorrow (also I'll be 5+6 so more chance of seeing something). Going to call in the morning and feign pain and if I am fobbed off will call local private hospital and just pay for an internal scan. I'll pop in and let you know how it goes. Thanks for asking after me mrs xx

Aww murray so sorry you are still in limbo! I'm going to continue to be your source of optimism though good news that the consultant doesn't think EP is a threat and that your levels are slowly rising (could be a slow burner) feel free to tell me to shut up/feck off if my boundless optimism isn't what you need though...
I can't believe how the MW spoke to you though I would speak to PALS or the head MW as at this delicate time she should be reassuring you not yelling at you horrible cow!

Marbles Have you tested?

Not yet... I have a couple of tescos HPTs waiting for tomorrow morning (DHs birthday) but I have just been the loo and I had a very tiny little thin teeny weeny blood streak on wiping (TMI I know) so tiny I wasn't sure if it was my eyes seeing things not really there... I have been very tired, feeling icky, headaches, MASSIVE knockers, oh and AF is almost a week late going by my cycle length over the last 6 months...(28, 26, 28, 21, 27, 27) I'm now up to CD34 which is not so hugely long but compared to recently its late... I'm pretty sure I'm going to land with a bump very soon...

I will keep everything crossed for a bfp and sticky bean good luck for the morning. Let us know how you get on x

Will do

How are you buddha?

I'm ok thanks Marbles currently on 2WW but zero symptoms (surprise surprise) after this cycle it will officially be 12 months of ttc (which I know compared to yourself is no time at all) but all I hear is time a ticking for this old bird

murray good luck today my lovely

I've been up all night with E terrible cough and wheeziness, spent all night watching his breathing which wasn't right took him to access clinic this morning and he's got croup. Poor little sausage

buddha poor E (and you too) :( DD had coupe as a regular occurrence when she was little. It's horrid isn't it :( I hope he gets better soon. If he's struggling, put the shower on hot so your bathroom fills with steam and sit in there for 10 mins. It helps relieve the wheeze a bit.

murray how are you feeling today?

AF arrived closely following my BFN so I am 1 cycle away from 5 years TTC... Excellent

Marbles sorry she got you after making you wait as well Fuve years! Told you my one was nothing in comparison

Marbles so sorry she got you and on DH's birthday too . Five years is a bl00dy long time mrs - respect to you for hanging on in there.

Buddha how far into 2ww are you ? Poor wee E , you will have a fun few days ahead.

Well I called this morning feigning abdominal pain and as soon as she asked me how many Pgs I'd had and whether they all gone to term I broke down - not a cunning ploy, just genuinely upset having to explain about 20wk MC and early MC in June. It did the trick as the lady was so understanding and had me up for scan within an hour. They saw what "could be" a gestational sac in my uterus but also said it was so tiny that it could just be fluid. Then did an internal scan and saw the same. They had a close look at tubes and ovaries and saw nothing untoward, however they explained that given my low hCG levels the 'embryo' may still be too small to be detected so they cannot confidently rule out ectopic.
Everyone, sonographer, staff nurse and gynae dr were lovely and so helpful. They took more bloods so I will get results tomorrow and we will see where to go from there. Dr said that he is not overly concerned about ectopic as not displaying any signs (other than my made up pain on my right side which was a bit embarassing as sonographer said I'd ovulated from left side - oops !). In all likelihood it is either ectopic or just a 'simple' "non-continuing pregnancy". Anyway, we'll see what tomorrow brings. My best case is that hCG levels plummet and I miscarry spontaneously so there is a chance I can salvage some of my holiday. I know it sounds heartless but I have known from the outset that something is wrong here so I never really got my hopes up properly - I just want it to end so that I can move on. I am hugely relieved to have the possibility of ectopic reduced so am less worried now. Hopefully get some sleep tonight

I am so glad you encountered some of life's lovely people today who took you seriously and that has obviously made you feel much better. I will still secretly hope for good news for you, but you know your body best x x

Any results yet ?

HI Buddha - results this evening and it was no surprise to be told that hCG levels had dropped - I don't know by how much as I was in the car with DP, DS, MIL and FIL when they called (great timing !) so I didn't really say much. Anyway, cramping started this afternoon and bleeding started this evening (as we were out for dinner with in laws). I have to go up to hospital in the morning to have more bloods taken - will get results in the afternoon. I will ask (beg) then if I can just assume it is a simple MC so that I can go on holiday. I am pretty confident that that is where I am - esp given they saw nothing in tubes and a potential sac in uterus. Surely they will let me go and jet off to Spain on Thu and enjoy my 2 weeks with DS and DP. We will have to get hunting for acmdtn as the owner of the house we were renting has let it out for some of the duration of our stay as we had to cancel . Still have flights and I'm sure the beach is comfy enough ! I am probably the happiest person who ever had a MC and it is a far better prospect than an ectopic PG - phew ! I feel like I have dodged a massive bullet.

oh and btw - where are you in your 2ww exactly ?...

Murray that it's an mc but that it wasn't ectopic also that you can still salvage a holiday from this. I'm sure you could tie E to a sunbed whilst sleeping on the beach

Sorry forgot to answer question day 22 with Af due Saturday, zero symptoms so not holding my breath. On holiday Monday so at least I'll have something to look forward to when I dip at the weekend

Buddha I'll cross my fingers for you mrs xx