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How can we manage financially as Universal Credit support reduces?

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elliejjtiny · 26/05/2026 12:19

We have 5 dc aged between 19 and 11 all with disabilities. Dh was a manager up until youngest was born, then he became unwell and had to take a massive pay cut. I'm a Sahm and get carers allowance. We get UC. Dc1 in his first year at uni, dc2 about to start in September.

We are just about managing at the moment but barely. In September we are going to lose the child element of universal credit for dc2 and I'm worried how we are going to manage. When the dc were younger I thought I would be working by now but I'm only getting 4 hours sleep a night and my 11 year old needs constant supervision when not at school so I don't know how I could fit work in. Dh has to work away about 15 weekends a year (from friday morning until late Sunday night) which leaves me completely exhausted each time. We spend 9 weekends a year picking up/dropping off/visiting dc1 and I imagine spending the same amount of time with dc2. There is no childcare for children my dc age with SN and they have to be picked up and dropped off at school. The dc have appointments about once a week on average and dc4 stays in hospital about 1 night a year when I don't get any sleep at all.

Realistically I can't think of any employer who would employ me with the amount of time off I would need and on so little sleep. At the moment I spend the time dc are at school doing the housework, cooking the dinner and trying to catch up on a bit of sleep.

I'm trying to think of anywhere we could save money but I can't think of anything. Dc1 doesn't cost any less money while he is at uni.

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feistyoneyouare · 26/05/2026 17:04

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 16:53

Oh god. Yet more hyperbole. Give it a rest. If you can't make a reasonable statement without it, don't bother. I've already said a civilised society works on paying taxes to help people in their time of need, and we all (i think) don't mind that. A safety net though, not an assumed way of life. Which they are in a lot of cases today. Millions of cases.

It’s a perfectly reasonable statement. You appear to only want to help the needy on your own terms. That’s not how it works.

Kirbert2 · 26/05/2026 17:04

HobGobblynne · 26/05/2026 16:59

PIP and DLA aren’t means tested & being able to go to uni doesn’t mean you might not have costs associated with having a disability or illness - as per my Stephen Hawking example earlier. Very famously disabled and attended university

Yep.

My son gets the highest rates DLA. He goes to mainstream school and will attend university if that's what he wants to do.

feistyoneyouare · 26/05/2026 17:04

RubyPowderPuff · 26/05/2026 17:03

You were replying to this:
Yes it is extremely well documented how attitudes were manipulated over time. Its crazy to me that people cant see its happening right now
But I would argue that these attitudes already existed. Same as they do now.
Look at Reform - didn't take long to increase their followers, its simply because people already think that way in private. Reform gives their thinking legitimacy with a little help from all the benefits bashing threds. We'll see where it ends.

I see what you mean. I agree, sadly.

Judevalentine · 26/05/2026 17:05

This is why big families are ridiculous. If your circumstances change then you’re screwed. You’d probably be able to manage with two or even three children but four or five is incredibly hard. From the sound of it even if the child with autism wasn’t diagnosed until he was nine you had very clear signs.

People just get fed up with supporting other people’s poor choices.

Thiswaythatwayforwardandbackway · 26/05/2026 17:05

elliejjtiny · 26/05/2026 15:02

Thank you. With dc1 he started showing signs of autism aged 2 when dc2 was already born. We were told repeatedly he didn't have autism until he was 9, after our youngest was born. Dc2 was born with medical problems that we were told he would grow out of, he didn't. So when dc3 was conceived we had one child who we thought wasn't disabled and one who was supposed to grow out of his disabilities. Dc3 was born healthy with no symptoms of disabilities until he was 9, 6 years after our youngest was born. Dc4 was born with disabilities that we were told would improve as he got older and dc5 was conceived while we were using 3 types of contraception.

Dc2 took an overdose and almost died during lockdown while I was stretched to the limit with lockdown learning and looking after the dc so since then I've been scared to not give any of the dc time to talk etc when they want it in case it happens again.

Dc1 has been denied PIP at renewal and dc2 we applied 9 months ago and still waiting to hear, it should be any day now. Dc1 works part time in university holidays but dc2 can't as he has selective mutism. Dc1's uni is 4 hours drive away and dc2's is 3 hours away in the other direction. Younger 3 are all getting dla and I get the carers element of universal credit. House comes with dh's job so we can't downsise.

Does this mean you don't have rent or a mortgage to pay for?

usernames98751 · 26/05/2026 17:08

IncompleteSenten · 26/05/2026 16:57

I kick myself every day.
I could have been worth billions.

Me too. Maybe it’s not too late to invent one?

AnneShirleyBlythe · 26/05/2026 17:09

My student nurse DD can’t commit to a pt job because of placement hours so she picks up cleaning jobs through an app. It’s Air BnBs she cleans. Find out if there’s anything similar near you. Facebook is good for finding these sorts of casual jobs.

viques · 26/05/2026 17:10

loislovesstewie · 26/05/2026 13:20

Because not everyone is born disabled. I have 2 adult children with disabilities. Both seemed perfect healthy when newborn. The oldest has become disabled in late childhood. The other has been diagnosed with ASD, ADHD and an anxiety disorder with severe OCD. Sometimes things aren't as simple as they seem.

But knowing you had two children with disabilities you didn’t, like the OP, go on to have three more children, keeping your fingers crossed that they would not also have life limiting disabilities.

ImInTheCooler · 26/05/2026 17:11

emuloc · 26/05/2026 16:41

So what is your contingency plan, in case you do become disabled? Asking for a friend🙄.

Then I will deal with it. I have substantial savings and a good family unit. What's that got to do with it?

That has nothing to do with choosing to specifically have more children when you already have disabled children. And it also has nothing to do with not wanting to live in this world as a disabled person. The hypothetical chance of me becoming disabled still does not change the fact I wouldn't want to live in this world, as a disabled person. What's your point?

nearlylovemyusername · 26/05/2026 17:12

AguNwaanyi · 26/05/2026 16:56

Because Nordic countries have even more generous social welfare systems and their rich pay more tax but the quality of life over there for the average person is much higher. But this country is generally very short-sighted when it comes to social welfare and don't consider the wider implications for not providing it or the bigger picture on why people end up needing it.

I'd suggest you spend some time reading.

Scandi countries tax lower and middle earners much more than we do. Their benefits are time limited and linked to previous contributions but also not means tested, unlike here, e.g. high earners have the same access to free/cheap childcare as lower paid. It makes social contract completely different.

ETA: OP is a perfect example of why people end up "needing" state support. And it's not a good case unfortunately.

itsgettingweird · 26/05/2026 17:13

loislovesstewie · 26/05/2026 13:20

Because not everyone is born disabled. I have 2 adult children with disabilities. Both seemed perfect healthy when newborn. The oldest has become disabled in late childhood. The other has been diagnosed with ASD, ADHD and an anxiety disorder with severe OCD. Sometimes things aren't as simple as they seem.

Precisely. Peoples ignorance astounds me.

Ds don’t show any signs of his degenerative neuromuscular condition until 8. Even then it was mild.

he was diagnosed at 15 with a genetic condition and now at 21 uses a wheelchair.

I could have gone on to have more kids before his first symptom even materialised - who each had a 50% chance of inheriting it.

As it is me and his dad separated when he was a toddler and once I knew it was genetic and I carry the gene I decided not to have anymore.

lessglittermoremud · 26/05/2026 17:14

I would look for a term time only MTA position within a school.
Roles like these do come up fairly frequently at least in our area.
I worked as an MTA/TA up until my youngest went to school because I couldn’t afford to put 3 children in holiday clubs so looked for a role within school hours.
The older 2 are now in secondary/heading to secondary school so I’ve only got one that needs wrap around care so I now work 4 longer days all year around.
As an MTA I worked 11-1.45 Mon-Fri term time only, it meant that I could do the school run, go and do the food shop/chores before going in.
When I finished I would go and prep tea and then do the school run.
Quite often I would cover as a TA 1:1 if someone had phoned in sick so that I wouldn’t go home after dropping my children off, which bumped up my hours.
My DH works 6 days a week so most of the childcare etc falls to me, but working those few hours each day was a chance to mix with other adults and do something for myself.

Popstarrrrr · 26/05/2026 17:16

Feis123 · 26/05/2026 15:20

Can't believe what I am reading. MN-ers are writing - She should not have had all those children, they are disabled, 'why should I pay through my taxes for your children?'

Are they the MN-ers who denounce Reform because they say they will put an end to foreigners gaming the system?

No. This is what a move to the far right looks like. It's not just the foreigners but everyone who they feel doesn't deserve a place in society or who doesn't have the financial and social capital to escape from it.

It has very nasty shades of recent history.

First they came.......

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 17:17

feistyoneyouare · 26/05/2026 17:04

It’s a perfectly reasonable statement. You appear to only want to help the needy on your own terms. That’s not how it works.

And now you're not making any sense.

whatistheworld · 26/05/2026 17:18

ImInTheCooler · 26/05/2026 12:26

Or a job in a school for school hours. I understand your sleep is limited but I don't see any other option if you're already claiming the max amount you can.

could you move to a cheaper area, downsize now one of your kids is at uni?

exactly this! chartwells(lunch and cooking) or TA in a school. Yes you will be tired sometimes - we all are
Yes busy weekends visting uni kids - yes common
If you want more money you will need to earn it! I have been to work today (NHS) with just 2 hours sleep last night. Its life i am afraid

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 17:19

Popstarrrrr · 26/05/2026 17:16

No. This is what a move to the far right looks like. It's not just the foreigners but everyone who they feel doesn't deserve a place in society or who doesn't have the financial and social capital to escape from it.

It has very nasty shades of recent history.

First they came.......

Stop it with the GCSE history. You're being hugely offensive to anyone who lived that life. How dare you.

littlemousebigcheese · 26/05/2026 17:19

We knew my daughter was autistic at 2 years old. She was referred to an edu psych by 3.
my husband earns £180k and we have 2 children as can’t really afford more in terms of money but also time as my daughter needs so much support and care. I couldn’t give 4 extra children the time she needs as an autistic adhd child

whatistheworld · 26/05/2026 17:20

elliejjtiny · 26/05/2026 15:02

Thank you. With dc1 he started showing signs of autism aged 2 when dc2 was already born. We were told repeatedly he didn't have autism until he was 9, after our youngest was born. Dc2 was born with medical problems that we were told he would grow out of, he didn't. So when dc3 was conceived we had one child who we thought wasn't disabled and one who was supposed to grow out of his disabilities. Dc3 was born healthy with no symptoms of disabilities until he was 9, 6 years after our youngest was born. Dc4 was born with disabilities that we were told would improve as he got older and dc5 was conceived while we were using 3 types of contraception.

Dc2 took an overdose and almost died during lockdown while I was stretched to the limit with lockdown learning and looking after the dc so since then I've been scared to not give any of the dc time to talk etc when they want it in case it happens again.

Dc1 has been denied PIP at renewal and dc2 we applied 9 months ago and still waiting to hear, it should be any day now. Dc1 works part time in university holidays but dc2 can't as he has selective mutism. Dc1's uni is 4 hours drive away and dc2's is 3 hours away in the other direction. Younger 3 are all getting dla and I get the carers element of universal credit. House comes with dh's job so we can't downsise.

you need to find uni's nearer home!!

ImInTheCooler · 26/05/2026 17:21

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usernames98751 · 26/05/2026 17:21

nearlylovemyusername · 26/05/2026 17:12

I'd suggest you spend some time reading.

Scandi countries tax lower and middle earners much more than we do. Their benefits are time limited and linked to previous contributions but also not means tested, unlike here, e.g. high earners have the same access to free/cheap childcare as lower paid. It makes social contract completely different.

ETA: OP is a perfect example of why people end up "needing" state support. And it's not a good case unfortunately.

Edited

You are absolutely right. And it’s a fair system. I do not mind paying tax. I’m quite happy for what we get for it, basically free childcare and no need to pay for uni.

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 17:21

nearlylovemyusername · 26/05/2026 17:12

I'd suggest you spend some time reading.

Scandi countries tax lower and middle earners much more than we do. Their benefits are time limited and linked to previous contributions but also not means tested, unlike here, e.g. high earners have the same access to free/cheap childcare as lower paid. It makes social contract completely different.

ETA: OP is a perfect example of why people end up "needing" state support. And it's not a good case unfortunately.

Edited

Best not to cloud the issue with facts. Many people on this thread don't do inconvenient facts.

ImInTheCooler · 26/05/2026 17:23

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 17:17

And now you're not making any sense.

How much hyperbole on this thread just because some of us have opposing views on OPs decisions, you'd think we'd actually committed a crime with some of these responses! See the German nazi camp poster

FernandoSor · 26/05/2026 17:24

Scrap the 9 weekends a year picking up/dropping off/visiting DC1 at uni. I know they are disabled but if they are able to attend uni then chances are they are able to get the train/National Express - both provide assistance to disabled passengers.

MiddleAgedDread · 26/05/2026 17:26

Dc1 works part time in university holidays but dc2 can't as he has selective mutism.
So what's DC2's plan for doing a degree and after they graduate?

Northermcharn · 26/05/2026 17:27

ImInTheCooler · 26/05/2026 17:23

How much hyperbole on this thread just because some of us have opposing views on OPs decisions, you'd think we'd actually committed a crime with some of these responses! See the German nazi camp poster

It's all very DARVO

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