9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

That word "adequately"... essentially it's a judgement call. Your "adequately" won't be other people's "adequately" and we'd have just as many people claiming cover up/conspiracy as we do with the current investigation report. I can't see how any investigation into any event could satisfy everyone beyond doubt.

I can't see how any investigation into any event could satisfy everyone beyond doubt.
Absolutely. But the ridiculous number of problems in this case has left a LOT of people very dissatisfied. Rightly so, I think.

No doubt.

What is the point though, really, in rehashing and rehashing all of this. The US govt has its own interests at heart, surely we all know this? They aren't a benevolent world good guy - who believes this really? Whether 911 was deliberately created by the U.S. govt or not, they seized upon it to push forward their particular foreign policy actions. This is also not surprising. Who really thinks national governments act with the best interests of everyone at heart? Politicians and high level civil servants are all about looking after their own interests, obviously they are. Similarly big business - they want to protect their profits, that's their driving force. The problem is current political systems and the current style of capitalism in the western world. Presumably if you're concerned with the "truth" about 911, you will also be concerned with changing the current models of politics and the economy in the UK/US and the rest of the western world. Otherwise there will always be interests at play which are not at all focussed on the common good.

Wrongly so, I think. Why should every question about a complicated set of events be possible to answer. Pah. Reminds me of the ridiculous M. Al Fayed allegations. Conspiracy theorists are so very tiresome.

That's the show of my hand.

Interesting, Culture, that you don't think there's much point in all this.
I know what you mean, because I really doubt we'll get to the truth about this - which does sometimes make me wonder if it's been worth looking into at all. And yes, I am absolutely interested in the broader issues behind the situation. But 9/11 was such as massive tragedy, and officials' ability to pull the wool over our eyes about it or aid its orchestration (as I and many others see it) is in many ways pretty astounding. It has been hugely influential. If/when it becomes clearer to the general public how wrong (in my view) the promoted story has been, it will rightly have a big impact on our trust of current/recent authorities, and on which international policies become acceptable to us. Which should, in a democracy, be very important to how the non-Western world is treated/interacted with.

Why interesting? And "truth" is often a relative concept, and is definitely influenced by perception.

Nothing to read into about "interesting" - I'm just interested!

I don't think it would matter how many investigations there had been, or will be in the future. No matter what, some people would still cry "conspiracy" - because that's what conspiracy theorists do. They fit their conspiracy theory around the available facts. If the available facts change, they adjust their conspiracy theory accordingly. It's why talking to conspiracy theorists is such an utterly pointless thing to get embroiled in.

Most conspiracy theories centre around "we are being lied to" by them - whoever them is: the government, the illuminati etc etc.

Yes, there are some people who love to cry "Conspiracy!" whatever the information, and talk about the "illuminati" and lizards and whatnot.

And then there are a lot of very sensible people who see very real problems with the official account of 9/11.

Sometimes they overlap. Often they don't.

'What is the point though, really, in rehashing and rehashing all of this. The US govt has its own interests at heart, surely we all know this? They aren't a benevolent world good guy - who believes this really?'

You have to remember the huge responsibility it is to represent the United States or any country. It is not a private fiefdom for a current holder, it comes with huge responsibility for the lives and welfare of millions of people and everything must be carried out according to the law. No one is above the law. Nixon had to resign.

Why do you think there is such panic among elites (and their luvvies) about Donald Trump?

"Donald Trump Wanted Last Republican President IMPEACHED For Foreign Policy ‘Lies’

dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/donald-trump-wanted-last-republican-president-impeached-for-foreign-policy-lies/

Here is an article by Wayne Allyn Root, longtime Republican and former Vice Presdiential candidate for the Liberatarian Party.

Just today, the Republicans have started impeachment procedures against the head of the IRS.

'Why Obama and Hillary Must Stop Donald Trump at All Costs'
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But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. I’ve never seen them this outraged…this vicious…this motivated…this coordinated. NEVER in all my years in politics, have I seen anything like the way the mad dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
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No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business and political elite understand that Donald Trump is no joke and could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

It’s no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy Donald.
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These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But one man- and only one man- isn’t beholden to anyone.
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Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slavemasters.

www.infowars.com/why-obama-and-hillary-must-stop-donald-trump-at-all-costs/

If Trump gets in, the whole game could be up.

Anothereffing if you are open to the possibility that 9/11 was a controlled demolition, then you are one of "those" conspiracy theorists.

Think it through.

If you say so, Under.

How thick is Trump if he can say" I never got my head around the fact that nothing is mentioned about the destruction of Building 7 in the 585 page document"? Could it be anything to do with the fact that there was a separate inquiry into WTC7 which resulted in the issue of a detailed report?

I am constantly bemused by claig's concept that the so-called elite have sufficient ruthlessness and resource to create the whole 9/11 conspiracy and cover it up, yet are running around like headless chickens panicking about Trump. If they viewed him as a genuine threat he would be long gone.

'How thick is Trump'

As Trump says he went to one of the best schools in America - Wharton Business School. He is not thick at all.

'yet are running around like headless chickens panicking about Trump'

Why do you think the whole world is watching and cheering Trump on? There is another debate later tonight - Trump going toe-to-toe with luvvies - "low energy" ones as Trump calls them.

'If they viewed him as a genuine threat he would be long gone.'

The elite have to step carefully. They know the people support Trump. They hope he will stumble and trip up, but there is no sign of that yet.

The fascinating question is who supports Trump? Obviously the people, but it must go way above that for Trump to be able to challenge the elite on every single one of their sacred cows.

The NIST report on WTC7 was not published until about 4 years after the 9/11 Commission Report.

His taking note of the anomalous omission of WTC7 in the 9/11 CR does not imply that Trump is thick, if anything it would indicate the opposite.

Well, quite, StanStreeson.

"The elite have to step carefully", Claig? That would be the elite who have managed to set up a plot whereby four planes got hijacked, three of them flew into buildings, thousands of people died, three buildings collapsed, and have done so in such a way that no-one has ever found any evidence of what they did?

And I suspect that this is also, in your book, the elite who managed to target a very popular member of the royal family and bump her off, also managing to hide their tracks successfully.

Yet they're all, to a man and woman, getting into a panic about one man?

Is it just possible that the explanation is that none of that happened?

StanStreeson, the point is that Trump is speaking now, not at the time of the original report. He knows there has been a report on WTC7. Therefore suggesting that there is an ongoing cover-up evidenced by the original report is absurd.

Have you looked into the details of NIST's WTC 7 report, Gruntled? Have you read the report? Examined the substantial objections to it by qualified engineers and physicists? Do you realise the pressure it took to get it looked into? Do you find it at all odd that the initial report mentioned only the two buildings of three which all came down in a highly unusual (to say the least) manner (one of which wasn't even hit by a plane)?

Bold:GruntledOne
So, Trump reads the 9/11 CR soon after its publication and (along with many others) feels disquiet at its anomalous omission of WTC7.
Some years later the NIST WTC7 report appears.
Nevertheless Trump's disquiet continues, indicated by his present day use of the adverb "never".
Might we consider that maybe Trump's continuing disquiet is due to the unconvincing nature of both reports, rather than a pervasive "thickness" among thousands of architects, engineers, pilots etc. who share it?
Ad hominem attacks are weak in comparison to reasoned, scientific, evidence-based arguments such as those presented here:

Or it could be that Trump's alleged continuing disquiet is purely politically motivated.