Oscar Pistorious Pt3

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Hope no one else has started this.

being on a remote farmhouse is different from being in a secured guarded compound surrounded by other houses where you feel safe enough to leave your balcony windows open...and again, why would a machine gun be on his wish list ...look at previous articles

wannabe has got it in one.

attny I don't think you're listening. Read wannabe's post

and the point that wannabe didn't mention is how much crime is 'inside'. So even 'gated complexes' aren't 100% safe. Corruption is rife.

I am not sure OP was not already off to police jail when Carl and lawyer and locksmith turned up...all I am saying is their priorities were strange given what had just happened

no it isn't different. People on remote farms still have gates on all their doors and big dogs and bars on all their windows. The guards on the secure complexes are notoriously bribeable.

In joburg, you know, the big city, it's not illegal to go through red lights at night because if you stop you're likely (not might possibly, likely) to be carjacked.

If you hit a pedestrian you don't stop because it's probably a set-up to rob you of your money and car and probably run you over on the way.

Fear is relative in so much as that not everyone lives in the same risk category, so if you live in a secure community there's possibly less of a chance that someone will break in. But the risk if someone does is the same - just because the chance is less doesn't mean it's non existent, and if someone does break in you know that it's likely they will rape the female members of the family and murder everyone on the way out. so you might not go to bed thinking "I hope I wake up tomorrow," but if you do wake up and hear something then you will think "shit, it's kill or die."

I am with the Magistrate...the one who is SA and has seen more of SA crime than any on this board...he stipulated despite useless Botham that he found OP's account filled with improbabilities that still need to be explored

useless Botha I mean

Of course he has to say that... he has to be impartial. But do you think that if he thought that OP was lying outright that he'd have given him bail? He has issues with OP's account but he can't rule it out either.

if state produce credible independent witness reports that say lights were on and female screaming was heard from OP's apartment were heard before he fired then he is done for....time will tell

OP's story still doesn't make sense even when you take into account how fearful householders are in SA as opposed to here.

Could be utter crap but the DM are reporting here that the police have told Reeva's family that the cricket bat was used to crush her skull and that those injuries were evident when they viewed her body.

If that's true.......

As Nair said...this was not trial stage...but he saw fit to express a view, primarily he had to decide if he was a flight risk and I have to agree given his fame, he probably is not

Of course time will tell, we all want that. None of us want him released if it's proven that he lied. But remember that the magistrate said that the prosecution could find no evidence to counter OPs version - yet. And yes, time (and forensics) will tell.

Ellie The DM? Seriously?? No comment!!

fundamental IMO here is ...he passed the bed THREE times including to get his gun from bedside and did not see his GF was not there .....or even look to see if she was there in the bed when he heard someone in the bathroom....

But do you think that if he thought that OP was lying outright that he'd have given him bail?

Yes, he would. Deciding whether or not to give him bail had nothing at all to do with whether the magistrate thought he was innocent or guilty - it was all about whether the prosecution had demonstrated that he would be a flight risk, danger to witnesses etc if he was granted bail. They didn't. I think OP is as guilty as sin, personally, but I still think that it was correct that he was given bail in view of the circumstances.

and went off to KILL them

Oh, FFS Cleo - I DID say it could be utter crap - but every now and then they do get some things right. Jeez.

ellie that story is bullshit.

Botha confirmed when questioned by the defense that there was no evidence of physical asalt other than the gunshot wounds.

Ellie the tabloids are making cash out of sensationalising this story. Every reputable news source has correspondents in Pretoria. Do you think if this was a legit story they may have covered it too? A quick search finds it nowhere else. Posting this crap just fuels the gossip and who is that helping?

(and if it does subsequently appear I'll gladly eat my words)

Botha was an idiot....and no forensic specialist ...he happened to be the one turning up at the scene - mag Nair said as much ....but Mag also said that state case was not going to rest on Botha,..and hopefully the new investigating officer in charge will handle it all professionally ...truth is prosecution can't possibly get all the evidence in short space of time it took for bail hearing

By the way, out of respect for victim, think next thread should not be OP pt 4 but Reeva murder case cont'd

Sorry wannabe, hadn't realised you were there. I bow to your better judgement.

Do you really think that the prosecution presented everything they had at the bail hearing? There was no evidence AT ALL from the post mortem, which had already been done. No forensic evidence either. Did they forget? No, there will be an awful lot that hasn't been brought into the open yet for various reasons but which the police may well have shared with the family.

Yes - it's the DM, so it's probably bull. But I thought it was worth mentioning that that is what's doing the rounds now.

And we're prepared to believe what Botha says when it happens to support your pet view, eh? But it's rubbish when it doesn't? Nothing like a little impartiality

Your hypocrisy is astonishing, Cleo. This thread is gossip, for fucks sake. Or did you think you were sitting on a jury?

You people are ludicrous.

I'm intrigued at how they even thought they could run with that story tbh.

After all, at what point did he cave in her skull with a cricket bat - before she locked herself in the bathroom and he shot her? in which case how did she get to the bathroom - you know, with a crushed skull? or did OP put her in there and then shoot her through the locked door and then smash the door down with the cricket bat, quickly change the key over to the right side of the door to make it look as if it had been locked from the inside? in which case he would have had to drag/carry an unconscious woman too the bathroom and be certain he'd gain a direct hit to claim the intruder line in which case how would he explain the caved in skull? Or perhaps he caved it in after he'd shot her just for good measure, but again how would he explain it?

Think about it, given the prosecution have confirmed there was no other marks on her, and given she was shot through a locked door, the story of the cricket bat isn't remotely plausible in any way what so ever.

ellie the point is....it's probably best to stick to what we do know rather than what the bin liners tabloids want us to believe.