Oscar Pistorious Pt3

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Hope no one else has started this.

I've just seen the news that he is applying to ease his bail restrictions so he can travel outside South Africa and be able to drink alcohol.

Who does he think he is!? He is awaiting trial for murder and has fortunately been allowed bail, he just needs to suck up to conditions!

No way! Surely they won't allow him to go abroad.

What an arrogant cunt. Just the fact that he's even thinking about going abroad makes him a flight risk in my book. I wish the judge would reverse the bail decision and bang him up.

Actually I think he most likely didnt "murder" Reeva deliberately, however I think he should not be allowed to travel abroad or drink alcohol as by all accounts he is a very vulnerable position right now and regardless of his guilt or innocence of premeditated murder, the chance to flee or down his sorrows in alcohol must surely present quite a risk given media reports of his mental condition right now.

Well if OP and his brother both share the reckless streak, one must surely question who was responsible for guiding them in their teens.

Some people survive tragedy/ dysfunctional upbringing without turning to drink, drugs, guns, alcohol- others don't. Not trying to condone anything but just trying to understand what went wrong in this family.

I would say "most" killers have troubled childhoods but I agree most people who had less than idyllic childhoods don't become killers.

Having read parts of Oscar,s autobiography with the benefits of hindsight. I was struck but the fact that there were two teenage boys , both traumatized by their mothers death (especially Carl) Who buried their emotions and just weren't very cared for that that phase in their lives. One went of the rails and took to partying and drinking . The other buried himself in sport. They seemed to have also fallen out with each other at that time. Oscar describes them as being rudder less and effectively homeless as they were passed from different relitives to friends in the school Holidays.
The other thing I was struck by was that OP seemed to have gone through a period of depression in the past. Talks of on the outside life was going well but privately crying at the drop of a hat.
I can't help but think both Pistorus brothers have "issues but coupled with Oscars lifestyle, travel, hero worship, lack of grounding , money , his emotions have got out of hand be that fear, rage, whatever.
I also think if he is as depressed as they say which I can well believe, the request to reduce the bail restrictions and from the lawyers. And is a standard I am innocent these restrictions are unfair.

The defence and prosecution agreed bail conditions between them and judge imposed additional ones on top (no travel and drink and drugs tests). He is appealing this on the basis that defence didn't have chance to address them. He doesn't necessarily want to drink and travel abroad.
That being said, they would have to be crazy to allow him to travel overseas.

I am watching it and i hadn't realised that Reeva had met up with her ex boyfriend earlier in the day and that OP had phoned her twice during that meeting.

Landiftute - I haven't seen that anywhere else either.

"He doesn't necessarily want to drink and travel abroad"

Well if he doesn't, why bother bringing it up?

Seems to me like they are arguing it as a legal point.

How amazing and dignified reevas lovely friend is. So clearly heartbroken.

Who does he think he is!? He is awaiting trial for murder and has fortunately been allowed bail, he just needs to suck up to conditions!

Agree with this. Suck it up.

I'm completely on the fence re his guilt however.

Watched the BBC 3 documentary today, not much there that was new if you've been following this story.

I thought the guy who did it was a bit of an arse and hated the distracting, annoying synth music in the background.

I felt like some were after their 5 minutes (football player, tatooist) and that there wasn't anything we didn't already know, apart from Reeva's ex. I got a sense of confusion, a hope for the truth, for Reeva, from Oscar.

I think opinion is mixed, divided for some into he didn't mean it / he did mean it, and then those who see his version as plausible but can also see how other scenarios are plausible.

Ref bail conditions. I did wonder what would happen if someone spiked his drink or put alcohol in a pudding. I don't think he should travel beyond SA. If the judge determines this was a horrific accident and he is "free to go" I can't see him on a running track in front of millions - I think that is over. However, I do think he can continue to help promote equality with disability, and to be an example of what gun ownership means, and to promote change. Purposeful endeavours if he is deemed "free to go" or if he is jailed.

Think they were scraping the barrel a bit with the tattooist.
In fact the whole attempt to dig up dirt was a a bit rubbish. It felt a bit channel 5 to me.

Yes I didn't take to the football player at all that "what's he going to do to me he's got no legs I'm bigger than him attitude". I would guess they did have an altercation but we will never no exactly what was said and who started it.

Although there wasn't much new in that programme ( apart from the ex-It was possible jealousy feelings were running high. I know my exes haven't been too happy when I 've arranged to meet up with old boyfriends despite the fact I've remained friends with most of them. Obviously that doesn't condone what happened but may point towards the fact that there were arguments that evening.

One of the most compelling pieces of evidence was the fact that Reeva had emptied her bladder. I did think this would point towards her getting up to go the loo in the middle of the night rather than going during the middle of the argument whilst running away.

If I was trying to hide in a toilet to get away from someone I don't think I'd think "I'd might as well have a wee whilst I'm in here"

If I was trying to hide in a toilet to get away from someone I don't think I'd think "I'd might as well have a wee whilst I'm in here"

Why ever not?! I would, if I needed to go. All the more likely if she'd been drinking, and if she was scared.

I'm speculating of course but I suppose I'm thinking if it was happening so quickly, ie they argued, she ran off to the bathroom, he chased after her with or without a gun, I'd be trying to listen to what was going on the other side, shielding myself initially from further attack

but on the other hand if they were arguing through the door for sometime, yes I would go.

Does that make more sense?

Never miss an opportunity, as my gran used to say

But yes, I can imagine a stand-off where she wouldn't come out and he got increasingly angry and frustrated.

Sorry might be TMI but the empty bladder thing is a red herring, as someone else upthread said, unfortunately when you die your body's muscles can give way and you soil yourself.

Also, if they were up arguing and hadn't have gone to bed at all she might have been to the loo recently anyway, so I don't think it's a very compelling piece of evidence armchair.

Well the pathologist did say there was no trace of urine at the scene but you are right about your second point

Do you think if you had a newish partner and they didn't stay over a lot and you were used to being on your own in your house, you might, when awoken in the middle of the night ,forget they had stayed over?

No.

Columbo I aint.

He didn't forget she was there, he ran to the bathroom and shouted for her to call the police (in his version)