Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

I mistyped Farage as fartage in you tube and this popped up or more likely slipped out.

I don’t know where you get the stomach to watch Farage for half an hour. I salute you.

I just watched the Robinson interview. I think Robinson was quite unprofessional. His dislike of Farage was pretty clearly on show and he resorted to sneering and smears.

I expect the other interviews will be nice cosy chats.

Farage is an odious git who has no business being interviewed on the BBC at all.

Do you agree with him on Russia?

When Putin invaded Crimea I said to a friend that Putin was running rings around our leaders. My friend has misquoted me and accused me of being a Putin fan ever since, so I do feel some sympathy for Farage on that topic.

It's possible to acknowledge that somebody is 'winning' without supporting their actions. For example, plenty of people on this thread have said they hate Farage, but acknowledge he's good at actually answering questions on TV and probably won the first TV debate.

In the 10 since, you haven't managed to convince your friend you are not a Putin fan?

He just hears/remembers what he wants to hear.

Farage is a long term Putin apologist. And possible employee.

TBH the issues you've raised aren't so much to do with immigration but the UKs weak and unenforced laws.

Illegal migrants working? (and paying no tax etc and as you say, being trafficked) how come? huge draw factor isn't it? and down to the UK.

Why have we allowed BTL's to take over the provision of social housing? and our failure to build council housing?

Terrible & expensive public transport.

Legal migration? Govt made it legal to be able to pay migrants a lower salary!
Fails to train unemployed, first with work experience and then with a skill, thats on us.....

Took us out of the EU, so now the migrants we need come from SE Asia/Africa and they bring their dependants with them.

All our own fault but we blame the foreigner.

FWIW I think the country needs a grown up debate about immigration that we don't seem capable of having. Immigration needs to go hand in hand with house building and the provision of other services.

HOWEVER a vote for Reform is a vote to embolden Putin and hugely weaken the West. Which will lead to war, possibly a nuclear one.

Why would it 'embolden' Putin to nuke the UK if people protest vote Reform?

From 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/10/brexit-party-meps-vote-against-measure-to-combat-russian-propaganda

2014

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/31/farage-i-admire-putin

Nigel Farage has named Vladimir Putin as the world leader he most admires, praising the Russian president's handling of the crisis in Syria.

The Brexit party, which abstains or opposes most European parliament votes, hit back at the claims. “We will always vote against more power and spending by the EU,” said David Bull, a Brexit party MEP.

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They always voted against the EU getting more power, so that's a complete non-story that the Guardian expanded into a smear.

Yes we seem to be moving quickly from ignoring it to messy without just dealing with immigration issues

I’d say it’s due to legal limitations and other EU countries are seeing the same

I can see the issue growing if we can’t organise a way to manage change

Do people agree with Farage then when he calls the refugees arrving by small boats an 'invasion''?

It's on his twitter account if you want to check it out

Yes. It is an invasion.

How so?

@BluntFatball you want the UK to be on Russia's side if a war with the West starts? You know Putin steals from his people and kills his opponents? Why would want the UK aligned with one of the world's worst dictators? The mind boggles.
A vote for a Putin apologist is a move to embolden Russia and make them try to exert influence on us - I 'd really like the UK to look nothing like Russia, ever, please...
Farage has respect for Putin as a leader - does that include his false flag operations, willingness to kill to hang on to power, complete lack of regard for his citizens' welfare, alliance with North Korea, Iran and Assad, intolerance of homosexuality, sport doping program... Everything Putin does is completely immoral, and he respects him as a leader?

Farage claims to be a patriot but Putin is not good news for democracy in the UK... Why you'd respect someone who ordered several poisonings on UK soil, with radioactive substances poured into teacups in a central London hotel, at great risk to the British public, and nerve agents casually thrown around in Salisbury, is completely beyond me. Farage and Le Pen get on well too, God help us, honestly!

I mean, this is beyond disgusting…but it seems so disgusting that it feels more like anti reform propaganda than something they would genuinely put out. Are you certain of the source?

So Jovan the labour candidate against farage in Clarkson can say things like this

And this

But these aren't racist I presume

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-clacton-candidate-says-running-for-every-black-brown-person-uk

Reform candidate Ben Aston, Bournemouth West

Reform candidate says "powerful groups agitating for the mass import into England of Muslims from the Third World are Jewish." Reform say they are proud he speaks like ordinary people.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/religion/article/jews-back-third-world-muslims-coming-to-uk-reform-candidate-said-gh3p0kmrg