LinkedIn chat about men bringing their dd into women’s loos

[thetinsoldier]

As above. He says he doesn’t want to take her into men’s loos, what should he do? Cue lots of women saying it’s fine, come into our loos, we don’t mind at all.

I said he should find a family loo or unisex loo, or take her into the men’s. He doesn’t want to, says he wouldn’t be using the loo. I said that he’d still be there, and that many women need single sex spaces for religious or other reasons, plus it’s the law.

He’s just said it seems to be the consensus that he should use the women’s loos.

Why are some men so selfish?

What else can I say?

Wrong.

a father assisting a young daughter who cannot use a men's room alone.

Why would a girl ever use the mens room alone? She uses the men's with her dad or the women's alone.

Where is this from? It’s not the EHRC guidance.

As I have highlighted in my post above yours it looks like it has been altered by someone as I can't think official guidance would ever reference a girl using the men's alone.

This is clearly copy and pasted from AI - and it is wrong. If you read the article it links it doesn’t even state the things in your text. In fact, the article makes it quite clear that you may only use the toilets of you biological sex if it is a single sex facility.

Absolute bollocks.

No, and not would any UK guidance refer to ‘restrooms’. 🙄

@NovemberMornis clearly a troll who can’t even be bothered to copy and paste a decent argument.

This discussion has become weirdly fashionable of late, similar posts are all over social media. I usually ask them if they'd take the same position if they were escorting their daughters to a swimming or gym class. Do they truly feel entitled to waltz into a changing room where lots of other women and girls are getting undressed? Helps avoid tedious debates about all cubicles vs urinals.

Yeah. Pretty sure the guidance didn’t use “restroom”. And the scenario was a mum bringing a boy under 8 in, not a dad. AI and a bit of photoshop methinks

Someone on here was dealing with exactly that- a man with his DD in the women’s changing rooms, because she was changing. And screw all the women and girls that might not like it.

Honestly some men are so oblivious to everything except their own interests they don’t even notice how inappropriate it is.

Men must take their DC into the men’s. They do not belong in the women’s.

Many would. And I can guarantee you nearly all of them would if it wasn't a toilet but a communal changing room.

Think you misread that

DD is often out with her dad alone - and is very soon due to turn 8. She hates him taking her into the men's, but due to her dyspraxia she cannot always lock and unlock a toilet door herself - so cannot go into the women's alone.

He didn't feel it was right for him to take her into the women's, so we've purchased a radar key and sunflower lanyard. This means when they are out alone he can take her to the disabled toilet (which ironically she can lock/unlock for herself as it's so much simpler!) as it is a hidden disability causing the problem. If I'm there we go into a cubicle in the women's together so we can keep working on her learning to do the lock for herself.

I also had to go out.
I provided info that possibly was AI generated, and the attached link from the BBC didn't mention the exceptions, so it doesn't prove my point.

Unfortunately, you have not provided any link at all.

I said pages ago, IF you can provide a link (not just your own opinion) that categorically says in the UK, fathers/men cannot enter a lady's public toilet to tend to their young female daughter/charges, I will stand corrected.

Instead of name-calling, why not show the EHRC guidelines that will prove your point.

So far all you have posted is...

"sex matters says: ‘These are common-sense rules. It is well understood, for example, that people will not reasonably object to an infant or young child in an opposite-sex washroom or changing room with their parent. In some places there may be explicit rules about this (such as ”boys under 8 are allowed into the ladies’ changing rooms”), but mainly people are trusted to be sensible, and can be challenged if they are not"

Which tells us nothing.

A communal changing room is a lot different to a public toilet.

What's your suggestion if they both need to go?

Scroll down.

Equality impact assessment for the provision of toilets - GOV.UK

Dude you literally posted AI incorrect info. Accept it. The fact it used to be”restroom” and seemed to imply girls would go into the men’s alone should have given you a clue, but you still posted it. Bless your heart.

young child in an opposite-sex washroom or changing room with their parent

Erm it tells us this - young child in opposite sex facilities - it does not say adult in facilities that match the sex of the child or all small children in the ladies regardless of the sex of the adult with them.

The nuance lies in the roles / status of the individual involved.

The female child should be able to use toilets designated for their gender.

The adult woman should be able to use toilets designated for their gender.

If the child needs accompanying, then that companion isn’t using the toilets. They’re accompanying someone who is.

So by your logic male children should be able to use the toilets of their sex, and a female companion should be able to accompany them. This might make some men uncomfortable, but as women will be just as uncomfortable having grown men in female spaces , men will just have to suck it up won’t they?

Why be condescending? Is it to cover up the fact that you have provided no link at all?
Did you bother to read the GOV UK link...or is that one not to your taste either?

• Potential disadvantage to disabled people as a result of the increased demand on the use of accessible toilets. As there is no mandatory provision for universal toilets, a wide range of people including parents with children of the opposite sex, older people requiring a companion of the opposite sex, non-binary, trans and LGBT groups may use the accessible toilet in buildings.""
• Discrimination is possible for gender reassignment, sexual orientation and two people with the opposite sex (e.g. a father and daughter who would wish to occupy the same toilet at the same time) as a result of the absence of a mandatory requirement to provide universal toilets. The expression in the new requirement ‘can also be provided in addition’ is not mandatory."

Interesting, especially as more than 50% of public buildings in the UK don't have available accesable toilets to use.
I wonder, for the posters who are vehemently against men being in a Ladies toilet UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, where would he go if his disabled wife needed a public toilet?

So, flipping this around, if he’s on a trip with his daughter and he needs the bathroom, are you saying he should use the ladies or the men’s? As it’s him needing the bathroom, he have to take her into the men’s wouldn’t he? Or the accessible toilet? So why does it make a difference if she needs the loo or he does?