Female teacher who had sex with schoolboy

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16013543/Teacher-sex-schoolboy-blindfolding-prison-convicted-gross-indecency.html

Are we so focused on predatory males in positions of power praying on vulnerable women & girls - that we lose sight of the fact it can happen the other way around.

How many more of these evil women are hiding in the shadows...?

He was saying male students get sexually harassed more by female teachers than female students get sexually harassed by male teachers? That sounds wildly implausible.

Women are warmer (generally) and would perhaps be touching a shoulder to be comforting, not sexually... (Although best to avoid full stop)

Male here NC. Victim of SA from female and male when young. Took 30+ years to overcome

I'm sorry to hear about that happening to you.

There is a crime here but women who perform this type of crime are extreme outliers in society. We can not as a society remove focus on sexual violence against women and girls because of what aboutery for a tiny subsection of sexual predation. We can not just simply wash over the fact that sexual crime is very much a male crime and was ever thus.

There was a piece on Facebook where Hertfordshire police were appealing for witnesses for a sexual assault where a woman pinched a man's bottom in a nightclub (picked up on carb or mobile). Police time will now be spent investigating this from an admin point of view and the comments on Facebook ebook would be as you would expect from men. The point is highlighting a woman pinching a male bottom distracts from a much larger societal menace of sexual assault perpetrated by men.

This.

So, the police should really ignore the 'woman pinching a man's bottom' and concentrate on victims who are women only...?

I do not want to belittle the bottom pinching but it is an example where we can distract from violence against women and girls by highlighting what many (Maybe wrongly) are relatively trivial offences and maybe the police searching for the woman for sexual assault may be disproportionate. There are probably thousands of women getting their bottoms pinched every day and worse so I wonder what their attitudes to the police spending time in this is?

No one is saying that is good behaviour.
But we'd prefer the police to be hunting rapists.

But the police should be hunting anyone who is committing offences, surly?
We shouldn't belittle 'bottom pinching' weather the suspect is male or female. Its like flashing - its possibly a trigger offence that leads to much more serious ones.

If we go down the route of police just concentrating on rapists - then this teacher gets away with it - as she hasn't raped the school boy. Even-though she tied him to a bed and had sex with him against his consent several times, it won't be considered as rape.

So going by that 'logic' wouldn't it make more sense for the police to hunt serial killers over simple one off murderers, leaving rapists to just roam the streets

So the police should pick and choose who they hunt because the public would prefer something different

I am thankful the public do not control the law

Consider my post reworded as 'rapists and serious sexual offenders'. That would include this woman.

Ideally we would hunt anyone who is committing offences, yes. But the police have limited resources, and most rapists get away with their crime. Hence I would prefer them to hunt the more serious offenders and leave a woman pinching bums.

Your point is disingenuous. You cannot - and I clearly was not - comparing murderers and a woman pinching bums.

Datafan55 · Today 12:53

Hence I would prefer them to hunt the more serious offenders and leave a woman pinching bums.

So, would you be okay with them leaving men to pinch women's bums too?

I think its wrong on both counts - and if the victim wants to make a complaint it should be investigated in the same manner as anything else.

I know I'm going off topic here - but this was one of the issues with the Sarah Everard case. His previous offences were ignored (flashing) as they were seen as less important, and look how that turned out. And the outcry was that it should have been investigated properly at the time.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16047717/Female-chemistry-teacher-sexually-abused-schoolboy-30-times-kissed-pupil-comparing-model-court-hears.html
Looks like another one

There will always be a few.
However there have been COUNTLESS male offences between your last post and this.

Have they........countless number.......?

Name one recently where a male teacher has appeared in court charged with sexually abusing a female pupil 30+ times

Yeah, but wasn't the point that people don't take female perpetrated crime as seriously? Women get much lower sentences for the same crime and most people don't even know that women actually abuse more children than men if you look at all the various types of abuse.

Similarly, the biggest metastudy of DV to date found that women are more likely to perpetrate it than men despite men causing more serious injury and death. Nobody is talking about it at all. It was a big study conducted by over 100 academics from 20 universities across US/UK/Canada alongside DV organisations. They read over 10,000 studies and extrapolated the data/closely analysed 1200 peer reviewed studies.

Women don't get shorter sentences for the same crime if you are talking equivalent crimes.
For the most serious crimes (murder) women tend to get longer sentences, especially when it is murder of a partner/ex partner. This tends to be because of the way those murders happen (men are stronger than women so it's easier to claim the murder was a moment of madness or loss of control which gets shorter sentences usually than planned murder).

For less serious crimes than murder there is evidence women are more likely (when they do commit crimes) to actually get investigated, charged and go to prison than men. It's hard to prove that statistically because how do you show the likelihood of "getting away" with something. The most evidence is for the mildest crime- TV license evasion where women make up the majority of people charged and convicted despite actual evasion being evenly split across the genders. Where a couple live together it's almost always the woman prosecuted not the man.

The reason for this is very simple. Women are more likely to open the door (literally). Women are more likely to answer the door and more likely to let the police inside the house. They are also more likely, as a group not individuals, to "cooperate" with the police. This makes it easier for the police to investigate and charge women for crimes they commit. It also makes them more likely to investigate. If you had a limited amount of time and targets would you prefer to interview someone who seemed likely to cooperate and plead guilty or someone who was going to fight you every step of the way? It's also why first time criminals (male and female) never seem to get away with the stuff hardened criminals do.

The flip side of the "women are more cooperative overall" is that when cases are followed all the way through that cooperation (I am not talking about child abuse here but theft etc) is more likely to buy them grace with the sentencing authorities. We don't do plea deals like in America but generally someone who pleads guilty for a crime they clearly committed and expressed remorse at the first opportunity gets a shorter sentence than someone who no comments and pleads not guilty.all the way through the long court case.

The real question then is is it better to be a typical woman and plead guilty and get a shorter sentence than a typical man and have more chance of getting of but also a longer sentence if you don't. And the answer is neither - it's better to be rich and have really good lawyers because by far the biggest disparity in the justice system is between the rich and the poor not women and men. And that includes very rich people who do the worst sort of crimes and face zero consequences.

No we’re not forgetting that. It’s why we say 98% of sex offenders are male, instead of saying ALL sex offenders are male. Ideally there would be no sex offenders and obviously nobody is condoning the abuse of power by a teacher regardless of whether that teacher is male or female. But let’s not try and pretend that this is such a huge issue that it needs to be addressed ahead of the overwhelming 98%.

Any safeguarding steps will likely require same-sex supervision but short of ensuring no teacher is ever left alone with any single pupil I’m not sure how you propose we take this threat as seriously as we do male VAWG

There always will be cases of women teachers fulfilling teenage boys fantasies in reality. I think looking at the psychology of this.

however the point still stands that highlighting female crimes is a distraction to the far more prevalent crimes of men against women and girls. The horrendous scale of the grooming gang scandal should be a simple testament to that. We are talking about massive imbalance.

we have a minister responsible for the protection of women and girls for good reason and it would negate such a role of we had a minister for men and boys because of isolated occurrence of female predation. In fact many who follow toxic masculinity would welcome this.

you also are at risk giving an impression that female sexual desire is equivalent to a males. 'Look at that woman teacher romping with a school boy......told you women were randy and up for it' type statements from your Andrew Tate following bloke.

No we don’t lose sight it could be women too. On the very rare occasions it’s a female predator it’s major news, whereas my male neighbour who was convicted of a historic case brought against him for repeated SA of a minor was not jailed and it warranted a tiny, tiny paragraph in the local newspaper. I read the court papers and there was plenty of additional sordid aspects I was shocked no jail time.
The judge warned the woman her sentence was likely to be custodial and didn’t bail her before sentencing, that’s as far as they could go in what they said about likely sentence at that stage in the proceedings. That doesn’t mean she’s not likely to be jailed, means the opposite.

mids2019 · Today 11:08
There always will be cases of women teachers fulfilling teenage boys fantasies in reality. I think looking at the psychology of this.

I don't think its a case of ".....women teachers fulfilling teenage boys fantasies...."

They are predators of some of the most vulnerable people in society (children) who are in their care

Would you suggest that male teachers who commit serious sexual offences are "....fulfilling teenage girls fantasies..."

Throughout this discussion I am getting the feeling that straight away people jump on the defensive that - 'the majority of times its men who are the evil ones' and 'not all women are like this'

I also don't think its a crime of sexual desire - its a crime of violence, aggression, power over someone who is vulnerable and demeaning that person.

Are we losing sight - i think we might be, because straight away we all seem to down-play it, suggest that its very rare, male teachers are the more dangerous and its probably fulfilling a teenage boy's fantasy in any case - so what's the issue?

I worked in the care sector for some years. We let two staff go without completing probation as we weren't happy with them but had no evidence of anything criminal. The male subsequently had a relationship with a girl in care, over 16 but he was in a position where that's not ok. He went to prison. She had a relationship with a boy in care but I can't remember his age as it wasn't in the papers as she didn't even get as far as court. I'm not sure how reliable the stats are as presumably he's in there and she isn't.

The attitude that this is all about boys fantasies is another reason I don't trust the stats. Too many grown men not seeing it as a crime but "lucky boy getting it on with the French teacher."

Exactly

And if you are a school boy who is being abused by a female teacher, you are less likely to report anything because of this attitude and that you won't be believed - its very unlikely to be a female teacher, 98% of the times its a male abuser, its probably just his fantasy.

Then the school boy will just have to live with the abuse