Female teacher who had sex with schoolboy

[NoisyBrickDog]

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16013543/Teacher-sex-schoolboy-blindfolding-prison-convicted-gross-indecency.html

Are we so focused on predatory males in positions of power praying on vulnerable women & girls - that we lose sight of the fact it can happen the other way around.

How many more of these evil women are hiding in the shadows...?

There was an article in the
paper about a younger more attractive teacher that had sex with i think 2 students and all the comments were from men saying “lucky boy, wish it was me!” “Where were those teachers when I was in school”

feminism was probably the wrong place to post this as this board is focused on systemic injustice against women.

Yes, women teachers abusing their power does happen much more frequently than people think. There was a spate of cases in the US this year.

People probably are less alert to it than male predators -- of course that doesn't change the fact that males are overall more likely to be abusers.

fartotheleftside
feminism was probably the wrong place to post this as this board is focused on systemic injustice against women.

Or systemic injustices which appear to favour women.....

I think it can work both ways and this board was probably the right place to discuss it.

I apologise if you feel I have posted it in the wrong room - I just worry sometimes that there are a lot of male/boy victims which go unnoticed because we a too focused on VAWG.

I might be wrong and I do agree with all the other people who have posted on here - I know its a difficult subject with no easy answer.

I think you will always get idiots like that who are not aware that the boy was a vulnerable victim and targeted by an evil predator.

A totally different dynamic to what they are describing.

I know its a difficult subject with no easy answer.

What do you mean? What's the difficult subject?

Over 96% of sexual offences are committed by men. That doesn't mean the ≈ 3% by women don't matter.

In fact, the rarity means it's more likely to get pressure coverage. "Man bites dog" effect.

If you think the sentence was too lax because she's a woman, Julie Bindel and others can demonstrate many cases when the sentences for women were harsher because we judge women who are "unnatural" more than we do men.

Or you could look at the young lads of 13 and 14 raping and filming 13 year old girls. They were spared prison recently until a public outcry caused the sentences to be reassessed.

I'm not trying to be difficult, I just don't really understand what point you're trying to make.

Its a difficult subject to talk about - sexual abuse of a child by a person who is supposed to be the one who is looking out for them.

And yes - if she is spared jail and only receives a fine or minimal community sentence - it is too lax.

The 'young lads' sentence (as you put it) was wrong and they should have received a jail sentence. The difference also is that they were not 50 year old teachers placed in a position of trust over young children - and then to abuse that trust for sexual gains. Different circumstance, but both should go to jail for what is effectively rape of a child.

I thought the judiciary would have learnt from that - but no - the judge has now said that this teacher.......might....... go to jail for what she has done.

And the idiotic comments of "lucky boy" "wish it was me" that still go on.

The point i am making - is society losing sight that boys can be victim's too

And the point it's in the news is No, society isn't losing sight of that at all.

It is men who comment "lucky boy i wouldnt have minded", genuinely never heard a woman say this. Also dont know anyone saying women shouldnt be appropriately punished by a court of law for their deplorable actions.

They are in private schools too.

Eastbourne College had to sack a female teacher a few years ago after she went to a boys room and had sex with him... The boy had bragged about their meeting beforehand and another boy filmed it.

She will be sentenced using pre 1997 tarrifs as that is when she abused (not had sex with) the boy. If she had committed the same crime recently, she would receive a much higher sentence. The maximum sentence at the time she committed her crimes was 2 years, and it has now increased to 10 years. I really hope she receives the maximum sentence possible and spends time in jail.

The teenage boys who received the lenient sentences for rape have now been resentenced on appeal. Two received a custodial sentence.

We need to be alert to child abuse of both sexes and be aware that both sexes can be perpetrators.

I was listening to a debate yesterday in which a guy referenced several recent studies which found that male students actually face as much sexual harassment as female students. I didn't read the studies but the guy was well known and defo referenced them fully. Apparently the main issue is that women usually get away with things we'd challenge in a man in terms of physical contact so the figures are skewed until you start digging deeper into the actual experiences and asking "has anybody ever...'

And that's part of my point - if only 2% of sex offenders are women - are we somehow unaware that this goes on and many are getting away with it?

Did you lose sight that boys can be victims too? Was it only because you saw this article that you suddenly have a revelation? Did the church abuses pass you by? Sports ones? Baby Preston? It happens every day, all over the world to children(boys and girls) .

But I thought men couldnt be raped by women...?

Im sure this is much more commen than we think. Its just that most teenage boys wouldnt think that they had been victims.

Well-that’s 2…..

And this makes 3 - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-66249126

And there’s 6 examples of male teachers on the first page only when you google it.

Do you mean women or ‘women’ because until recently, men who pretended be women (including those who experience prison onset gender dysphoria) were recorded as female in the crime stats. Which may have skewed them somewhat.

I do think there is an attitude amoung a large minority of people that men (and teen boys) always want sex and they can't really be victims (at least of female predators).

However, despite that being unfair, it doesn't change the reality of men being predators far, far more than women. When the BBC investigated bans handed out by the Teaching Regulation Authority a few years ago they found that over 35% of all bans were given to male teachers whose conduct had a sexual element. In contrast less than 15% of bans were given to female teacher for conduct that involved a sexual element. This is despite the fact male teachers make up only a quarter of teacher. (i.e. male teachers offended at 7 times the rate of female teachers).

Other investigations into the differences between male and female sexual offending tend to find that male offenders are more prolific (offend more often and with more victims) and more likely to inflict physical injury, threaten their victims, or drug them.

The one place female staff seem to be far more of a risk than male is in prisons. Sexual offending by staff in prisons seems to be quite skewed towards female staff offending against male prisoners.

You think men who rape teenage girls are routinely prosecuted?

You fool.

If you read the comments on the articles about that teacher they're full of men saying "lucky bastard! Where were the teachers like that when I was at school?"

Despite the victims often being traumatised it isn't seen as a grievous offence by many compared to the reverse.

I remember listening to a debate on the radio about a similar case. The mum of the victim said she didn't want to ruin the life of the teacher and the guy calling in was saying that nobody would be sympathetic to a male teacher sleeping with a teenage girl. I agree.

This, I'd be interested to know where these stats come from.

Interesting- have you got stats on this? ' Sexual offending by staff in prisons seems to be quite skewed towards female staff offending against male prisoners.'

Men guard women in prison too, and abuse does occur. I'd be surprised if women guards abused male prisoners more, it wouldn't fit with general patterns.

As I said, this is based on the BBC investigation into the TRA’s disciplinary decisions. Main online article is here: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-44643267 though I had to look around a bit for some bits. There was another BBC website article on it I used, but can’t find it now on my phone. You may have more luck.

I got the percentages of male and female teachers from the DfE headcount stats. Can’t find it on my phone at the moment, but I’m sure you can have a look for them if you’re interested. I did make an assumption that there wouldn’t be a big enough change in male female ratios between the 2018 bbc investigation and current workforce to make an appreciable difference.

on the prison thing - I was also a bit shocked when I first learnt this and had a good delve into it. But it does seem to be the case. I don’t have the stats on it but there’s been a fair bit of research on it so you can easily google up some good article from varied and reliable sources.

South Park did possibly the best analysis of this phenomenon. All the women were horrified, the men were like "niiiiiiiice". Its South Park so it's exaggerated and crude of course.

Women are less likely to abuse children because they are sexually attracted to children. Of course those women do exist (as in the article) but it is rarer and therefore much more notable when it happens. So it becomes bigger news.
What is unfortunately much more common is women abusing children for other reasons - money, attention from men, a sexual interest in being part of an abusive dynamic etc. If you look at most women convicted of those crimes (Myra Hindlay, Maxwell) they fit that template. In fact, because women are seen as safer and often have access to children (including their own) they are often recruited by predatory men with a sexual attraction to children and abuse.

That's exactly why everyone has to do a DBS check, you don't get a pass because "women are safer". And safeguarding training and people working in the field are very aware of this too. I think, for most people now, there is enough awareness that women aren't automatically safe just because they are women. It's still a good idea for a lost child to approach a mummy with her own children because statistically that person is likely to be safe. That's different to ignoring safeguarding in schools and other jobs.