Female teacher who had sex with schoolboy

[NoisyBrickDog]

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16013543/Teacher-sex-schoolboy-blindfolding-prison-convicted-gross-indecency.html

Are we so focused on predatory males in positions of power praying on vulnerable women & girls - that we lose sight of the fact it can happen the other way around.

How many more of these evil women are hiding in the shadows...?

There are over 600,000 teachers in the UK, the vast majority of which are women, so 2 cases, not even in the same year, doesn't equal = not uncommon! If anything it's the exact definition of uncommon. Maybe consult a dictionary?

"In broader terms - if we see a class room of girls with a male teacher, do we start to feel a little uncomfortable and would prefer a female teacher instead?"
No?

All teachers should be subject to normal safeguarding restrictions, none of which involve 'you shouldn't be able to teach pupils of the opposite sex to yourself.'

What you're saying is akin to if it chucked it down tomorrow, and you started suggesting that the UK should be more worried about this suggesting flooding in august is a huge issue we should be scared of, while ignoring the 10 weeks of near constant heatwaves which are the actual present problem.

Very few teachers of either sex abuse their pupils. Acknowledging that statistically male teachers are more likely to do so doesn't mean anyone thinks female teachers can't or shouldn't be punished if they do. But it's very uncommon. Judge (and sympathise with, in the case of the victim) the individual, don't extrapolate widely in a moral panic or to make some sort of point.

@tokennamechange "Maybe consult a dictionary?"

Schools are broken up for summer did no-one tell you ?

Agree with this. Our local Facebook page is inundated with police records of male predators (none female). If there is going to be societal fear it should be in obvious directions.

The police clearly investigated, built a case and it went to court as it absolutely should have.

Where are all these women pinching men’s bottoms that are getting away with it? I don’t think they should be getting away with it, they should have the same consequences as men pinching women’s bottoms but that’s a bizarre segue.

.....what?

I just thought that maybe someone hadn't taken their teacher's hat off for the summer.

tokennamechange · Yesterday 14:24
There are over 600,000 teachers in the UK, the vast majority of which are women, so 2 cases, not even in the same year, doesn't equal = not uncommon! If anything it's the exact definition of uncommon. Maybe consult a dictionary?

So if the stats are correct and its 98% of sexual offences are committed by men - then these 2 female teachers are the 2%

To make the ratio correct, where are the 98 examples of male teachers who are sexually abusing school pupils?

A previous poster (Datun?) said that since these two female teachers have been outed, there have been countless examples of male teachers doing the same - and yet not one example has been posted....?

I am still of the opinion that stats are under-representing the true figures of this and there are potentially a lot more (probably unreported) examples of female teachers abusing their power over vulnerable people.

We often see it in prisons and care homes where its usually the female 'care provider' abusing their position over the 'vulerable person'

again complete misuse of 'often' and 'usually' 🙄

Is your google broken as well as your dictionary? Or are you just lazy? Or determined to misrepresent definitions, statistics and the point?

Lee Normal, James Sands, David Brown, Syed Shahreear Ahmed, Edward Waller,Jacques Lodewyck Du Plessis... all came up as teachers having been convicted of sexually assaulting their pupils in headlines within the last year, just the top few of the results page, and with the caveat (should be blindingly obvious but considering what I'm dealing with) that because it is so very rare for female teachers to sexually assault their pupils the very rare examples will be far more likely to make headlines.

Recent convictions in Sussex ( picking a county at random)

https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/court-results/seaford-ex-teacher-jailed-for-non-recent-child-sex-offences/
https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/court-results/former-primary-school-teacher-convicted-for-sexual-assault-of-two-children/
https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/court-results/former-west-sussex-teacher-admits-online-child-sex-offence/

You still haven’t said where all these women pinching men’s bottoms are @NoisyBrickDog

I couldn’t find any in Sussex despite it having an old tradition called Pinch-bum day although tbf that had largely died out by mid 20th century

TrainedByWitches · 15/08/2026 22:09

You still haven’t said where all these women pinching men’s bottoms are

It was 'Mids' that mentioned it - that the police were looking for the female suspect. And seemed to suggest that this would be just a distraction - and that the police should get on with VAWG instead of wasting time on a male victim

I suggested that they should be doing both, whether the suspect was male or female.

But is this the general consensus of opinion on here - that its doesn't really matter as the vast majority of offenders are the male teachers and that if a school boy is sexually abused by a female teacher, it was probably the school boy's fanatsy in any case.

I went back and read the post you were referring to and wow your subsequent posts have really proved the point mids2019 was making.

mids2019
There was a piece on Facebook where Hertfordshire police were appealing for witnesses for a sexual assault where a woman pinched a man's bottom in a nightclub […] The point is highlighting a woman pinching a male bottom distracts from a much larger societal menace of sexual assault perpetrated by men.

And NosyBrickDogs take from this was indignation that women were suggesting that what appears to have been a one off sexual assault against a man by a woman was not a high priority in a world where almost every woman has experienced multiple serious sexual assaults.

Also a single alleged incident is not a trend.

Ah fine then, we should just ignore it.

So if a male adult or school pupil makes an allegation that they have been sexually assaulted by a female - we should point out to them - 'as we live in a world where almost every woman has experienced it, your complaint is not important'

Or, as a previous poster alluded to, its probably every school boy's fantasy in any case.

I stand corrected

Great post.

You are the only person saying we should ignore it, we’re all saying treat a female predator like a male predator. And in the case of a woman allegedly pinching a man’s bottom that would mean police not making a crazy big deal publicly about an alleged minor sexual assault committed by a woman as it’s a distraction if they wouldn’t do the same about an alleged minor sexual assault by a male. The women posting here all know police don’t make a big deal about male sexual assaults because most women unfortunately have personal experience of being sexually assaulted.

In the case of the historic sexual assault committed by a female teacher you first raised it’s serious and being treated seriously but it’s a big story in the media because it’s so rare for that to be done by a female teachers not because there’s lots of women doing this.

You are misrepresenting what other posters say to suit your agenda because the facts don’t.

as @TheGardenPond has pointed out, literally nobody on this thread has suggested we should 'just ignore it' and you are just arguing with yourself at this point. But good to know that you have been corrected by...yourself and now understand what you were trying to say all along 😕

I was simply making a point that the overiding story here is that sexual offences against women and girls are endemic in society. There will be occaisonal offences against boys and men by women but these really are the exception.

Overly highlighting these rare occurrences could act as a distraction from the much more sizeable problem of male sexual offence. This is not a crime that is gender equal and we can't lose sight of that.

@mids2019
But can you not appreciate that making comments such as:

There always will be cases of women teachers fulfilling teenage boys fantasies in reality. I think looking at the psychology of this.

Is not helpful and almost dismisses the crimes of females against males as less important?

So any school boy who is being abused by their female teacher may feel that they have no where to turn as they won't be believed. I think that it should not be a case of "....highlighting these rare occurrences could act as a distraction from the much more sizeable problem of male sexual offence..."

Its a sexual offence against a vulnerable person and each should be treat the same. Treating it as just a 'distraction' if its a female perpetrator, is not right

We also have to be careful about missing the signs of a woman committing sexual offences against males or females because we view it as so unlikely. An open mind is valuable.

NoisyBrickDog
I think that it should not be a case of "....highlighting these rare occurrences could act as a distraction from the much more sizeable problem of male sexual offence..."

Highlighting means draw special attention to..

Even you are saying they should be treated the same, treating them the same would mean not highlighting those rare occasions when it’s a female perpetrator.

Your posts give the impression you could start an argument in an empty room.

Eh?

My point being - is the notion that its serves as just a distraction. As if its not important and should be ignored. That it probably serves to fulfill the school boy's fantasy in any case, so don't be concerned.

My argument is that this notion is wrong in my opinion.

I share these concerns, I've had people try to convince me that it doesn't matter that it's not called rape because "the consequences are the same". If the consequences are the same then why isn't the wording of the law?

It feels like a hold over from a past when it was almost only men in power who had uninformed opinions of the many dynamics and forms of sexual abuse, the law should be free to focus on the context, impact, and the intent of sexual abuse and not be held back by unnecessary semantics.

There will always be a few what, women who sexually abuse? There’s more than a few. One of the victims of Sally Anne Bowen has never really recovered, and tried to take his own life. Wild that you are so comfortable admitting you don’t care about victims that are harmed by women.

I have not remotely said that.

the number of predatory men far outweighs the number of predatory women and this is borne out by the stats year after year. And this is across the board in every form of violence and abuse.

True, but men are also most of the victims too, particularly in terms of stranger violence, homicide, and non-sexual child abuse (which is mostly committed by women, particularly the mother).

The problem I have with the contemporary feminist rhetoric is that it actively dismisses the issue in many cases by saying things like "70% of homicide victims are male but which sex is doing the killings, eh?" It actively tries to replace the victim/perpetrator dynamic with a myopic and singular focus on biological sex.

To me, it's like saying "FGM? Honour killings? Child brides? Those are ethnic problems. Why should we worry about black-on-black violence? The women in Afghanistan need to sort their fellow Muslims out."