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Feminism: chat

Is this driving instructor a pervert?

84 replies

littleMillie · 12/07/2026 19:35

I hope it’s ok to past this here.
Been having driving lessons I’ve had four hours so far.
The instructor is an older man probably retirement age, lives local and is very well respected.
The first two lessons were uneventful apart from some knee tapping. I felt a bit uncomfortable but shrugged it off. The next lesson after I’d been driving he actually grabbed my thigh and squeezed it but in a jokey manner when he was saying something. I completely froze.
I know it’s not normal but is there a chance he’s just old school and thinks nothing of it? He’s got a family and a good reputation and great reviews so it’s left me questioning myself but I’m very very uncomfortable at the thought of getting in a car with him again.

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beadystar · 14/07/2026 12:37

FionnulaTheCooler · 14/07/2026 11:46

This is the reason why I'll be looking for a female instructor when my DD starts lessons next year. I've heard far too many stories of inappropriate touching by male instructors

Yes, I was going to add this to my earlier post. I now have a lovely female instructor which has been a game changer. I don’t want to be in a locked box with a random man given everything I know now about them at 40 never mind memories of the pervy instructor at 17.
I think my instructor has touched my elbow and shoulder correcting something and she gave me a hug after narrowly failing my first test. Not being wary or scared of the teacher is hugely important.

EBearhug · 14/07/2026 12:51

You hired him to teach you to drive. Teaching you to drive and keeping you both safe is what he should be doing.

His age is irrelevant. It wouldn't make a difference if he was your age and you found him attractive. Commenting on his age makes you ageist.

You being married, engaged, single is irrelevant. He should not be touching anyone as part of learning to drive.

Report him to DVSA because he is touching you inappropriately and making inappropriate comments. Do not report him because he is older, nor because you're not single. Focus on the important thing when you report him.

SilverPink · 14/07/2026 12:53

This is the reason my daughters chose female driving instructors. Too many stories of creepy male ones.

mumuseli · 14/07/2026 12:59

I had a pervy one like this when I was 17 :-( So depressing that it happens so much.
OP, I get where you're coming from thinking maybe he's just 'old-school'.... but remember even if that was the case (which I don't think it is) you don't need to put up with this. You have the right to change instructors, and you don't even have to explain or justify it to anyone. 💪

littleMillie · 14/07/2026 14:28

EBearhug · 14/07/2026 12:51

You hired him to teach you to drive. Teaching you to drive and keeping you both safe is what he should be doing.

His age is irrelevant. It wouldn't make a difference if he was your age and you found him attractive. Commenting on his age makes you ageist.

You being married, engaged, single is irrelevant. He should not be touching anyone as part of learning to drive.

Report him to DVSA because he is touching you inappropriately and making inappropriate comments. Do not report him because he is older, nor because you're not single. Focus on the important thing when you report him.

I only mentioned his age because I thought with age comes decency and professionalism, obviously not.
I felt safe with him being older he’s got more experience of the world and has a respectable history. I can’t go into that any further but age doesn’t matter to me.
Being old school I thought he might use physical correction or he might not mean anything by it. And his reviews are all great so I wasn’t sure if I was overreacting.

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littleMillie · 14/07/2026 14:36

mumuseli · 14/07/2026 12:59

I had a pervy one like this when I was 17 :-( So depressing that it happens so much.
OP, I get where you're coming from thinking maybe he's just 'old-school'.... but remember even if that was the case (which I don't think it is) you don't need to put up with this. You have the right to change instructors, and you don't even have to explain or justify it to anyone. 💪

Thanks. I’ve got a woman who is quite busy but willing to take me on.
It’s really taken the joy out of learning to drive I was so excited to start.
It’s horrible isn’t it you trust these people.

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WhistlingInTheWind · 14/07/2026 15:37

HarshbutTrue2 · 14/07/2026 12:12

I had a female instructor, she was the one available when I booked my lessons. We had a great relationship. We used to laugh together. She fed me jaffa cakes when I got things right.

My friend started learning before me. She had a male instructor. She was frightened he would tell her off and used to tremble before the lesson. No inappropriate behaviour. She took over 3 years to pass her test, 2 lessons a week.

Another friend had initial lessons with her father. He fucked her up for life. He shouted at her and told her she was no good. Then she had a male instructor. No good. She finally tried a female instructor, by then she was a nervous wreck and convinced she was useless. She never did learn to drive.

Based on these experiences, I always advise that women have a female instructor. It is vital that you have a good rapport with your instructor. Without being relaxed and having good rapport it is impossible for the pupil to become confident and progress.

(P.s. I understand the op. How dare he try it on when he knows she's not available. ) but he is also a slimy perv with no morals.

HarshbutTrue2: I understand the OP too and I find it bizarre that some PP interpret statements reflecting views about moral, respectful behaviour as statements reflecting a belief that men do and should "own" women with whom they are in relationships.

Women just as much as men are protective of their "romantic" relationships, resent their partners being "stolen" and are liable to go apeshit when it happens.

Rules and legislation about "professional relationships" attempt to regulate the behaviour of people who might abuse the power and privileged access afforded by positions of authority and trust.

They are designed to and should protect everyone equally, male and female, whether they are single, in a relationship or married and, crucially, children just as much if not more than adults.

What makes me uncomfortable about some of the responses on this thread is the knee-jerk lecturing about men not owning women that is interspersed with women berating and chiding the OP for not recognising the "professional" nature of a driving instructor's relationship with clients and the standards that therefore apply - and that this is happening on a Feminism Board.

What is this fantasy world where men do not operate in a brotherhood, "respectfully" asking each other's permission before dating one another's ex's? Or beating the shit out of one another for tapping up a current or previous partner?

Yes, that is hugely disrespectful of women and does reflect an atavistic attitude that women "belong" to men, in the same way that it was once thought normal and "respectful" for a man to ask a woman's father for her hand in marriage.

That is the patriarchy and it is alive and well. I don't have to like it but I don't ignore it and pretend that it does not exist.

(Would a matriarchy operate very differently?)

We also live in a world where women exact revenge on other women for threatening their relationships, whether those relationships are with men or with other women.

"Professional standards" and protection from abuse of positions of trust and authority are a distancing from hierarchical class-based relationships that permitted or tolerated sexual exploitation of those of lower standing. Ultimately, that usually goes back to which people (usually men) or their ancestors (usually men) were stronger, more cunning, wielded the sharper swords, commanded the better armies, etc.

All that has changed is that nowadays the punishment for that sexual predator driving instructor will be meted out by a professional regulatory body - and by the courts if he is ever prosecuted and convicted for sexual assault. Rather than summary justice and/or social disapprobation exacted by the victim's family, friends and local community - and possibly the perp's too.

It is heartening to me to see posts from PPs who express their understanding of the OP's focus on personal morality. I don't think she should be spoken down to just because she did not appreciate that the driving instructor owed her a professional duty of care.

The suggestions of "ageism" are a whole other subject. Suffice to say that IMHO the OP had a reasonable expectation that a man in his 70's should be aware that his sexual advances are very likely to be even more unwelcome by women much younger than him than by women around his own age.

Most men that age would also have reduced sexual impulsivity due to lower testosterone levels, advancing infirmity and possibly increased self-awareness. This expectation that they will be "safer" gives a false sense of security.

IMHO the likelihood is that this man has always been a sexual predator and age has not diminished the danger that he poses to women.

The idea that he might be behaving this way because he is "old school" might have some foundation. As evidenced by the testimony of PPs, it used to be common knowledge that many driving instructors were sexual predators.

They got away with it because other men thought it was a huge joke. It is not tolerated as quite such a huge joke now but most men would still love to be paid to spend time alone with a series of teenage girls in a job that allows them to "accidentally" grope girls in school uniform and nervous young women.

Sexual predators always have and always will be attracted to jobs and roles that give them easy access to victims.

There are boys, young men and middle aged men today who are sexual predators who will still be sexual predators in their 70's. They will be the "old school" driving instructors of tomorrow if young men today continue to be allowed to prey on women.

I hope the OP reports this man and that she finds a female driving instructor asap - and that she passes her driving test!

🙏

EmptyInTheValley · 14/07/2026 15:50

I had a driving instructor like this when I was 17 in 1979! He even used to open his door and lean me over his lap to show me how well I had done in reversing round a corner. Ugh.
I have told this story many times in real life but have always said thank God that sort of thing wouldn't happen now. How naive I was to think that and am really sorry to hear it is still going on, and that you had to suffer that, OP.

Lins77 · 17/07/2026 09:07

I think we were lucky with DD's male driving instructor. I posted upthread that he was always very professional and was upfront right at the outset that he would always remain on his side of the car (unless an emergency) and wanted to ensure she felt comfortable with him - which she always did. I'd recommend him to anyone.

But she'd already heard stories of other instructors, and clearly many men are not so professional. I find it bizarre when this is their livelihood - guess they think young women won't complain.

@littleMillie not sure if this has been suggested, but you could write a review online?

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