Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...? Part deux GE 2019 special.

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General election 12th December 2019. Results out on Friday 13th. Unlucky day for some.

So this election is unusual in that it will focus primarily on Brexit and referendums with domestic issues tagged alongside, for some parties.

Rees-Mogg has made a major gaff about grenfell... And done a very rapid apology...

Dead cat alert...

JRM can't understand ordinary people & criticises them for being so stupid as to die

imo even most mc professionals with 6-figure salaries & / or PhDs would obey the fire brigade during a fire
Are the uc that different to everyone else ?
It may just be a Tory thing, a way to attack the Grenfell residents, as I've read similar statements by Tory journos

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

JRM’s comments reveal an astonishing blindspot for how most ordinary people respond to those with authority, especially in times of high stress or danger.

JRM has power, is a powerful man and is struggling to understand why those who have none wouldn’t question those who do.

In other words, in this case at least, he’s lacking common sense.

Victims' families slammed Jacob Rees-Mogg after he said
the 'common sense thing to do' would be to ignore the fire brigade's Stay Put advice
and leave.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-urged-apologise-20812090.amp?

RedToothBrush I've just had another letter from the LDs through my letter box this morning. There's been one most weeks for the past month or so and they do regular newsletters throughout the year. They stand a good chance of winning here and have my support. Lots of tactical voters here to get Wragg out. I'm more of a socialist but labour have little chance here and it's important to get the tories out.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is facing calls to apologise after saying it would have been “common sense” for Grenfell residents to ignore the fire brigade's advice to stay in the building.

Well, if we can ignore official advice, let's start with the shite spouted by this vile cunt and his kith ....

Even if people ignore fire brigade advice and get killed because of it, it would be totally crass for a politician to blame them,
just to distract criticism of some decisions by penny-pinching management and Tories that were actually responsible for the tragedy.

Parly @parlyapp
The Speaker has granted a UQ to Dominic Grieve on the publication of the Intelligence and Security committee report on Russia.

Interesting...

Christopher Hope@christopherhope
. @Nigel_Farage suggests school children are taught that supporting Remain is “virtuous” and backing Leave is “evil” in classes - and this is why the Brexit Party does not have more younger supporters. #GE2019

I kind of get this idea of good versus evil in terms of remain v leave framing... But its not coming from schools...

The new Speaker may soon be denigrated as much as Brecow, if he keeps letting MPs ask questions ....

I'd like people's thoughts on my constituency. I live in the Tewkesbury constituency and Laurence Robertson is my MP. He has a huge majority (25,000 ish) with labour second and lib Dems a v poor third. Last two elections labour were second but lib Dems were previously the second party. I'm more naturally a lib dem. Tactical voting suggests labour. But I'm not sure. Will a constituency that have returned LR as their MP since it's inception ever swing as far as Labour? Or is this a classic case of softer Tories may vote LD instead. I just don't know what to do. I imagine Mr Robertson isn't going anywhere but I want to have the best go at getting rid.

Hadley Freeman @hadleyfreeman
I don't want to overthink Jacob Rees-Mogg, of all empty vessels masquerading as human beings. But that Grenfell line feels v Trumpian to me and, most of all, v Steve Bannon

Maybe it was spontaneous, and of course people shd criticise him for it. But I'm having major flashbacks to Trump criticising McCain for being a POW and how that kind of say-it-like-an-idiot posturing became the defining tone of the 2016 election, v much to the right's benefit

We need to explain this is just Brexit Part 1, to those who think the WA "gets Brexit done":

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

All of the arguments, extension or no extension, deal or no deal are destined to replay again in the next Parliament, just about a different deal.
And once again the govt has boxed itself in.

As this tweet tacitly concedes it’d be more accurate to say “Get Brexit (pt.1) done”.

Liz Truss@trussliz

We will not be extending the Brexit transition period beyond 2020.

The British people have waited long enough for Brexit.

We will be able to negotiate a good free trade deal with the EU and other partners in that timeframe.




To Trump - who avoided military service via a handy doctor - a POW is a failure

To many on the right, a poor person is a failure, but somehow "coining it" on benefits
A disabled person - who also dares to be poor - is a failure, probably a cheat too

Blame people for any problem in their lives

• unless they are rich of course, in which case they maybe deserve sympathy

Very rightwing people may have always thought such things, but it's only in the last few years that they have dared say them

• because enough voters have been groomed to think the same way, blaming the victims

Chris Chope plans to stand again as MP for Christchurch

• so that bolthole for Boris is out

but the fact that he took the knighthood to go away after his woman hating legislative antics and then is staying on speaks volumes about the sort of people running Tory party Branches

Paul Waugh
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Perhaps biggest judgement call by @joswinson today was her “absolutely, categorically” ruling out any Lib Dem votes putting @jeremycorbyn Corbyn into No.10.
In a hung parl, refusing to back him in a conf vote could mean @BorisJohnson getting in No.10 instead.
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FFS

@DGRossetti

"At what point would that erode Farages "right" to appear on our screens every 5 minutes ?"

When it's no longer entertaining. Farage drives ratings, thanks to his negative publicity.

Labour’s Brexit-focused campaign stop in Harlow will get underway in around 20 mins time. Shadow cabinet members Laura Pidcock and Keir Starmer will speak first, before Jeremy Corbyn takes to the podium
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Laura McAlpine, Labour’s candidate for Harlow, making opening speech: “Brexit has been a distraction from the real issues impacting people’s lives”
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@LauraPidcockMP
on Brexit: “For the last 10 years life for most people in this country has been really tough... for millions work doesn’t pay and all over the country people have seen their communities disintegrate... it doesn’t surprise me they voted against the status quo”
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Pidcock calls Boris Johnson a “charlatan” and describes his Brexit deal as a “con trick”
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Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer now up: “You don’t know how good it feels to be out on the campaign trail”
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Starmer: “it wasn’t that long ago that Thatcher decimated our manufacturing base... there’s been a revival but his deal will take an axe to that and the thousands of jobs that go with it”
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Starmer: “The first thing we will do in government is rip up Boris Johnson’s deal. Then we will secure the best possible deal, including a customs union, single market alignment and protection of rights and the environment”
Tom Rayner
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Starmer denies that Labour’s renegotiate+referendum Brexit policy is complicated: “If people want to vote to leave they can vote for the deal on offer or they can vote to remain, that is not complicated, it is straightforward”
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Starmer has previously said he would campaign for remain if Labour succeed in bringing about a second referendum - but he made no mention of that today.
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Corbyn: “people who voted to leave tell me they were voting for change... that is what they were promised... people were told they could take back control of their lives after years of seeing their towns run down... Johnson is trying to hijack that hope for change”

@DGRossetti

^"I am a strong believer in karma and I really hope it's coming back to bite the Tories on the arse in this election.

If only Karma were like that (straying into a misspent Buddhist youth grin)."^

Strictly speaking, you are right. But watching JRM squirm after his obscene comments and Johnson apologise over his Brexit failure is too delicious not to enjoy.

Tom Rayner
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Audience in Harlow now doing the “not for sale” chant about the NHS first heard at the Labour campaign launch in Battersea last week
Tom Rayner
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Corbyn keeps returning to this (new?) campaign message that for the tories Brexit isn’t really about Brexit: “The conservatives know they can’t do what they want to do under the banner of Thatcherism so they are trying to do it under the banner of Brexit instead”
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Corbyn says Labour’s Brexit plan to renengotiate and hold a referendum within 6 months is “realistic” and confirms he would launch legislation in parliament necessary for a referendum in parallel while negotiation is taking place
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When it was put to him that the Conservatives have repeatedly said the NHS would not be part of a US trade deal, Corbyn responds by asking why the PM had instructed officials to hold talks with US drug companies? Conservative sources say this is “a flat out lie”
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Asked about whether Labour’s renegotiation would definitely involve scrapping the Withdrawal Agreement, and not just reworking the Political Declaration, Mr. Corbyn said “yes of course”
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Labour aides say they know the EU has ruled out reopening WA, but point to fact that’s been said before. They argue change to WA necessary to avoid NI-ROI border insurance policy is not the version negotiated by Johnson... are they proposing a return to the UK wide backstop?

I kind of get this idea of good versus evil in terms of remain v leave framing... But its not coming from schools...

It is...

Maybe not all schools obvs, but it is.

Teachers in my kids' secondary school have no problem pushing a Remain Good, Leave Bad message
(Same with Tories Are Bad messaging 🤷🏻‍♀️)

imo jrm is just doing a 'look - butterfly' on us to distract from the vote leave report...

To Trump - who avoided military service via a handy doctor - a POW is a failure

Which is the Japanese military doctrine that led to the atrocities during WW2. A soldier should die before surrender.

Has BJ chosen the worst ever GE slogan for an incumbent ? 🤔

"#BritainDeservesBetter"

That's BJ's slogan ?

BJ is the incumbent Prime Minister,
the leader of the Tory Party, who have been in power for nearly 10 years

It's a surprisingly apt slogan ..... for Labour

Maybe BJ chose "#BritainDeservesBetter" before Labour or Greens could !

In any sane world RM would have to resign. Sadly our world is not sane.