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Brexit

Westminstenders: For Whom the Bell Tolls

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RedToothBrush · 01/04/2019 22:59

Although another round of Indicative Votes is scheduled, arguably the chance for a soft Brexit has gone for two reasons.

Parliament was unable to show a majority because those on the opposition benches were too busy saying 'I want this but only on these terms' or still being too unwilling to compromise. Thus the opportunity and point for a third round starts to look weak.

The second is that Tory MPs were resolute in an opposition to a soft Brexit.

Unless May decides to be the next Robert Peel and go for a soft Brexit on the back of opposition vote its not going to happen.

This leaves May's deal as it stands or no deal.

May seems to have actually lost a few supporters of her deal since Friday, and given the performance of the opposition tonight and the prospect of round 3 of indicative votes they will still be unwilling to go for May's deal.

Which leaves no deal.

There is talk of a managed no deal. There is no such thing. The EU plan for that is essentially to push us into the deal in order to get a trading relationship.

And that will push us closer to the us. Which is what many torys want. And what polling seems to suggest they will have surprising support for.

Sorry folks but it don't look great tonight.

The opposition benches may look back on tonight and think they screwed it. I hope I'm wrong. But I fear tonight might have sealed our fate.

Tomorrow may has a 5hr cabinet. And a secret document dmfor the cabinet to study first.

It's going to get bumpy from here on in...

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HazardGhost · 02/04/2019 17:34

Lib dem email asking us to lobby key MPs

I'm having fun with this. I'm on a roll, ive nagged round my MP, I'm UNSTOPPABLE.

www.libdems.org.uk/brexit-mp-70

DanaSchmidt · 02/04/2019 17:34

Wind my neck in?
Back under my bridge?
What next . . if i feel threatened i will speak out.
You will not silence me

PinkieTuscadero · 02/04/2019 17:35

jon Craig
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I’d say Govt is planning to table Brexit motion in the Commons tonight, since there are dozens of interventions from Tory MPs in Geoffrey Clifton-Brown’s adjournment debate on business rates reform, clearly to keep it going until 7-7.30pm to allow time for a motion to be tabled.

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 17:35

Here's more quotes of NB interview with LK.

Boles says the PM has 'mismanaged and misunderstood' Brexit by only trying please the Tory party, never trying to construct a plan for the whole country, but party is gripped in combination of 'cowardice' from Remainers and 'dogma' from the Brexiteers that is 'not pretty'

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 02/04/2019 17:35

Anyone else just sitting watching the closed door of No. 10?

Actually, that’s not all I’m doing. Jamaica ginger cake...from the Brexit stash.

lonelyplanetmum · 02/04/2019 17:35

I can't believe that, were the boot to be on the other foot, we would agree to another country messing around like this.

That's a really good point actually can you imagine the response here if we were still a dominant force within the EU and say Spain was messing around like this?

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 17:36

Full interview on laura kuenssberg twitter

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 02/04/2019 17:36

Redwood on Sky now. The gaslighting is strong in this one...

Belindabelle · 02/04/2019 17:37

Eddie Mair to Theo Usherwood on the very long meeting, "is this a Cabinet Meeting or a hostage situation?"

Made me smile a little.

TheElementsSong · 02/04/2019 17:37

Have we reached the BullyingPunishmentOppressionOfBravePatriots part of the narrative then?

If we're going to enjoy a lack of silencing, I'd love to hear some further justifications for calling human beings a "swarm" and also some clarification on the death penalty.

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 17:37

Reckon cabinet nipped out the back way to avoid reporters and are sitting at home watching said reporters waiting and waiting!Grin

Holidayshopping · 02/04/2019 17:37

What happens now-are the HoC sitting tonight? Is there definitely a PM statement?

Or is that it for today?

Runningintothesunset · 02/04/2019 17:37

“Both devices had notes attached to them - looped around them. One note said "Leave means leave". The other said words to the effect: "We'll bring Britain to a standstill" - that's why @BTP believes the incidents are Brexit related.”

Two devices found on the rail network Sad

C8H10N4O2 · 02/04/2019 17:38

According to R4 the Cabinet are not allowed to leave until she has made her statement at the podium!

prettybird · 02/04/2019 17:38

Why is it anti-Semitic for someone Jewish to say Shalom. Confused Methinks Dana is faux-outraged Hmm

But I think it's better to ignore the ignorant Grin

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 02/04/2019 17:38

Eddie Mair to Theo Usherwood on the very long meeting, "is this a Cabinet Meeting or a hostage situation?"

I do love Eddie Mair. His wry, dry humour coupled with the ability to quietly eviscerate bumptious, lying politicians is a thing of beauty.

TheElementsSong · 02/04/2019 17:39

Two devices found on the rail network

How delightfully patriotic Hmm

Belindabelle · 02/04/2019 17:39

I swear I just thought to myself what the hell is Nick Boles doing talking to Lorraine Kelly.

RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 17:40

Just posted.

Robert Peston @peston
It is a no-phone Brexit. PM is not letting ministers have their phones back, even though seven-hour Cabinet meeting is now over. Her colleagues have been locked in a Downing Street cupboard, until the PM has decided what they decided.

Do you think she's checking them to see who is plotting against her?

Seriously anyone doing this really shouldn't be PM and should scare the shit out of civil right supporters and the EU.

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PinkieTuscadero · 02/04/2019 17:41

Steven Swinford
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Hearing rather cryptically that the PM's statement will represent a softening of her red lines - but not on free movement. Make of that what you will, we'll know soon enough

Runningintothesunset · 02/04/2019 17:42

It’s a government podium so not a GE, is that right?

RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 17:42

God its worse than the phones!!!

Sebastian Payne @SebastianePayne
Inside No.10 the Cabinet are apparently having drinks while Theresa May writes her statement following today's marathon meeting.

It’s extraordinary that Downing Street has such little trust in the cabinet that the people who run this country are being kept in No.10 until the PM has spoken.

Confirmed ministers aren’t allowed to leave until the PM has spoken.

She holding them hostage!

Is this to prevent resignations and lobbying?

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 02/04/2019 17:43

Apparently EU safety updates to the tracks meant the devices didn't work Grin Grin Grin

dreichuplands · 02/04/2019 17:43

I imagine that Spain is bidding its time, we have yet to deal with Gibraltar.

Cuddlysnowleopard · 02/04/2019 17:43

She's got their phones? She is like a demon headteacher.

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