Westminstenders: For Whom the Bell Tolls

[RedToothBrush]

Although another round of Indicative Votes is scheduled, arguably the chance for a soft Brexit has gone for two reasons.

Parliament was unable to show a majority because those on the opposition benches were too busy saying 'I want this but only on these terms' or still being too unwilling to compromise. Thus the opportunity and point for a third round starts to look weak.

The second is that Tory MPs were resolute in an opposition to a soft Brexit.

Unless May decides to be the next Robert Peel and go for a soft Brexit on the back of opposition vote its not going to happen.

This leaves May's deal as it stands or no deal.

May seems to have actually lost a few supporters of her deal since Friday, and given the performance of the opposition tonight and the prospect of round 3 of indicative votes they will still be unwilling to go for May's deal.

Which leaves no deal.

There is talk of a managed no deal. There is no such thing. The EU plan for that is essentially to push us into the deal in order to get a trading relationship.

And that will push us closer to the us. Which is what many torys want. And what polling seems to suggest they will have surprising support for.

Sorry folks but it don't look great tonight.

The opposition benches may look back on tonight and think they screwed it. I hope I'm wrong. But I fear tonight might have sealed our fate.

Tomorrow may has a 5hr cabinet. And a secret document dmfor the cabinet to study first.

It's going to get bumpy from here on in...

Boles interview with LK absolutely great! She asked him who should be next PM. He said not ant cabinet members past or present since 2016 deserve to be PM. He said they are all compromised have put themselves first, unable to compromise or to lead......
He also said that when he looked around the HoC he realised that opposition parties were willing to compromise to find a solution and his party would not. He really nailed the Tory party failings good and proper!

@hasenstein I'm so so sorry to hear about your loss. And what an awful journey it is shaping up to be too :(

I live in fear that something happens to my mum and none of us can travel because we don't have the right paperwork to get back home again (though student DD has UK and FR passports so she could go). It's one of the reasons I'd feel much more comfortable if mum was here on Brexit day.

dana KETITOFEN

How can it be right that skilled people from India have to jump through endless hoops to be able to come to Britain, like doctors for example and unskilled immigrants from Romania can flood in unchecked under the EUs freedom of movement.

Because the UK has implemented strict rules wrt immigration from India.

The word "Swarm" was used

It was racist then and it's racist now. Back under your bridge.

{Even cabinet can’t have their heads so far up their own asses that they’d spend 8 hours debating something they know the EU would never agree to, right???}
Well, having decided the meeting would go over lunchtime the first 2 hours was spent choosing which sandwiches.
Besides, a statement always helps JRM and co fill their coffers.
The Salzburg one saw the Pound jump by 1%.

Fromm BBC news.....

Former Conservative MP Nick Boles has accused the cabinet of being "cowardly and selfish" for failing to challenge Theresa May's approach to Brexit.
Mr Boles, who quit the parliamentary party on Monday, said the PM had "misunderstood and mismanaged" the whole process of leaving the EU.
And he told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg no-one in the cabinet "had earned the right" to succeed her.
The Tory Party "did not really exist any more", he also suggested.

I've already posted about John Bolton. He is quite open about looking forward to doing trade with the UK without the pesky regulations that the EU wants and to addressing the trade deficit

ie they plan to sell more to us, rather than vice versa

When someone tells you who they are, listen

Jon Craig
@joncraig
I’d say Govt is planning to table Brexit motion in the Commons tonight, since there are dozens of interventions from Tory MPs in Geoffrey Clifton-Brown’s adjournment debate on business rates reform, clearly to keep it going until 7-7.30pm to allow time for a motion to be tabled.

What does that even mean? netmums lingo?

Whilst waiting for the lectern moment..

It's a shame Dana went as I was hoping for an answer to my question.

My next one just in case s(he) lurketh is..
I appreciate that the U.K. being able to jointly control food, environment and workers' rights in Germany, Portugal, Italy etc is seen as a threat in some way.

However, why is Putin not seen as a greater threat given Soviet poisonings, regular military incursions into air and sea space etc ?

Mistigri

Back under my bridge,

WOW, Notice when I told you I'm Jewish you get aggressive and nasty.
Anti-semitism is vile.

BREXIT SABOTAGE: Police investigate 'Brexiteer plot' to STOP TRAINS with homemade device

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1108786/Brexit-news-leave-train-short-circuit-device-british-transport-police

Even had one contributor mocking me (a Jew) saying Shalom

They didn't mock you.

They were worried about why you said that and perhaps thought you were being antisemitic since there is something of a climate of it atm.

The person in question has reason to fear antisemitism...

They most certainly were not mocking. Indeed quite the opposite

I must have been unconsciously channelling my pro-EU sentiments when I planted up the planters at my door, with purple/blue violas and gold daffodils

To be fair to Dana some English wine is very nice. It is blinking expensive though.

Well I stand corrected RedToothBrush

It's one of the reasons I'd feel much more comfortable if mum was here on Brexit day
Utter disgrace that families are having to go through this added stress.
Hope you're mum's OK, misti

I'm sure Timmy Spoons has a spiffing plan to make English wine affordable for all.

Why not highlight everything I was saying rather than trying to mislead the thread?

The whole sentence doesn't make it any better, I don't know why you would imagine it absolves you let alone puts you in some elevated position? Ditto if Cameron, or Bart Simpson, or JRR Tolkien, referred to any nationality of human beings as a "swarm."

Also what was it you were saying about the death penalty again?

And wind your neck in on the antisemitic accusations.

Anyone on this thread being even vaguely antisemitic has always got short shrift and been challenged.

Labour's tolerance of it is not thought of well by just about all regular posters

dreichuplands

YES English wine is lovely.
If you order by the case it can work out cheaper, but yes it is expensive, especially when you can get a bottle of German Blue Nun for £3.60 lol

I think Dana can and should be safely ignored.

As for the statement - why? In god's name whyyyyyy? Was the pound perhaps looking a little too strong today and needed taking down a peg or two?

There is no way that the EU will allow an extension for No Deal prep. And, frankly, nor should they. We've pissed around for long enough, and I can't believe that, were the boot to be on the other foot, we would agree to another country messing around like this.

Oops, missed that exchange, thanks for explaining on my behalf red
Off to work again.......

English wine is foul

I thought English wine was meant to be good. It's British wine that is disgusting ... having never even seen a real grape. But there is a difference between the two.