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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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TheElementsSong · 04/10/2017 18:08

Still, we're all brimming with confidence in their ability to Make Brexit A Success, yes?

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 18:13

David Smith‏*@avaragado*

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 18:14

Beth Rigby‏*@BethRigby*

A minister tells me; "She has to go, we're all doomed"

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 18:16

So who wins the award for the slapped arse face of May's speech?

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PattyPenguin · 04/10/2017 18:18

Marina Hyde is good on the Tory conference, as usual.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/boris-lion-king-to-theresa-may-p45-malarial-week-tory-conference

Holliewantstobehot · 04/10/2017 18:22

Yes it was shocking. But of course Boris will be Boris so that makes it all OK. Not.

RhiannonOHara · 04/10/2017 18:34

So who wins the award for the slapped arse face of May's speech?

Rudd, by a whisker. Davis comes a close second for looking like a) a toddler and b) he's picking his nose.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 04/10/2017 18:48

I think Boris wants to be sacked too. Either to turn into a Brexit martyr or to disassociate himself from the oncoming disaster and then to come back to rescue..

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 18:53

@manwhohasitall

Marina Wheeler QC’s husband and father of 4 cleverly draws attention away from his plus-size figure with a bold accessory and poor speech.

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 18:55

In German press: "The sad dismantling of TM"

@Tiefseher
Rede-Dabekel in Manchester: Die traurige Selbstdemontage der Theresa May #brexit www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article169323995/Die-Selbstdemontage-der-Theresa-May.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web@welt

nauticant · 04/10/2017 19:16

You can find Eddie Mair dismantling Amber Rudd here (starting at 20:45):

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096gjrb

A quite remarkable interview. What a shambolic state the Tories are in.

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 19:34

Thanks nauticant quite a programme. Mair: "When does the remit of the brexit referendum run out?" Rudd: "I don't understand the question."

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 19:48

Fascinating confererence report:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/boris-lion-king-to-theresa-may-p45-malarial-week-tory-conference

"No one could fail to salute whichever Tory brain judged that this already toxic conference would benefit from issuing a guest pass to Katie Hopkins. Envy < not envy >

It’s akin to surveying survivors of the Lusitania and thinking: you know what would really lift the spirits round here?
A visit from Typhoid Mary.

For reasons I briefly considered looking up, Katie had got herself up in a full wedding dress Confused for her turn at a fringe event. "
.....
Last year, the Tories were bedding in for a good 15 years of uninterrupted rule; this year, they were coming to terms with the fact that the bed had been shat.
< that's what happens when you invite Brexiters into your bed >
....
"The Tories are like something out of Cowboy Builders:

they tell you that you need a new boiler,
and by the time they’re done, you’ve got no roof, a sinkhole and Euro parity.
For the love of God, guys, please stop fixing things."

SwedishEdith · 04/10/2017 19:53

Look at Leadsom! Face like thunder. Grin

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 19:53

Simon Brodkin had an accredited pass to the conference. I think the police will struggle to charge him with anything.

It also begs the question: who gave him the pass?

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 20:08

Boris gave it to him ?

HashiAsLarry · 04/10/2017 20:27

It's taken me ages to figure out what was wrong with the Brodkin stunt. Surely his relative youth should have been a giveaway.

SwedishEdith · 04/10/2017 20:37

Interesting point

J.J. Patrick‏
@J_amesp

By the rationale of the Catalonia argument, we can hold a second Brexit Referendum just among remain voters and then revoke article 50 1/2
And then, in such a paradox, blame the EU for not accepting our actions. That’s the crux of this. And why it’s dangerous. 2/2

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 20:37

The sheer ineptitude of that speech did finally get the Tory Conference into the German press

< you may disagree with Merkel, but she and the CDU are very efficient at the nuts & bolts of politics.
A stage background built by Germans doesn't collapse, no cough dare strike Mutti .... >

"May coughs, the Conservatives suffer"
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/grossbritannien-may-hustet-die-konservativen-leiden/20412438.html

"Not amused - for Theresa May, everything went wrong"

"It was a fatal picture" < the letters crashing caused much amusement >

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 20:56

Some very funny stuff on Twitter re mays speech
It really was that bad wasn't it?

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 21:09

Yep. badders Karmically so.

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 21:14

Thing is...i told ds1 she wouldn't last the week after the election...
Then I told him she wouldnt last the summer after grenfell...
But surely - surely - she can't survive this?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 21:21

They can't agree who'd take
hence fear a bloodbath of a leadership contest that would be on soft vs Ultra Brexit and lay bear the party splits & confusion

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 21:25

surely - she can't survive this Gary Gibbon on Channel 4 news, not an excitable sort of chap, claimed that it's the tory party which can't now survive without her. There's something pleasingly organic about the way they are decomposing.
I wonder if this is why Brodkin got in, G4S were on sticker alert:

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LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 21:31

"The Thick of It S4E6 (The Goolding Inquiry) has just flitted across our screen chez Lurking ...

Smile Grin