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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 15:25

They are murmuring about the possibility of the Spanish army getting involved if Catalonia announced independence.

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 15:27

They are murmuring about the possibility of the Spanish army getting involved if Catalonia announced independence.

Are there any communists, anti-fascists, unemployed, or top-flight journalists ready to fight ?

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 15:28

Gerard Piqué (who they are booing for supporting Catalonia's independence) is Shakira's hubby. Useless and low brow fact.

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 15:31

I imagine it would just be civil rest with the army installed. It is not a big area. This would not look good.

LewisThere · 04/10/2017 15:36

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/the-latest-idea-from-a-brexit-official-replace-eu-safety-checks-with-amazon-reviews-a3650231.html

The latest idea from a Brexit official: Replace EU safety checks with Amazon reviews

Yep because it's totally ok to wait until X number of people have been electrocuted before doing anything at all.....

DrivenToDespair · 04/10/2017 15:36

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LewisThere · 04/10/2017 15:37

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/priti-patel-says-tory-mps-must-use-brexit-bill-to-discard-eu-regulations_uk_59d37c7ee4b0f9629889e781?

It seems other people are quite keen on getting rid of an regulations too... see Priti Patel....

LewisThere · 04/10/2017 15:39

There are a few people saying that he is actually doing his best to be kicked out of the guvernemet.
He can't leave, it wouldn't look good. But he certainly doesn't want anything to do with the result of the EU negotiations. Because he knows it won't be good at all.

I have to say, this would make sense too me. He is too intelligent to make all those 'mistakes' by errors.

LewisThere · 04/10/2017 15:50

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/03/uk-highest-inflation-rate-oecd-brexit-prices-g7

The uk has the highest inflation rate in the G7
And The OECD estimates France, Italy and Germany will grow faster than the UK amid uncertainty from Brexit, which is hitting consumer confidence and sapping business investment.

All is well in Brexit world, remembering we haven't even left yet...

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 15:54

see Priti Patel.

I'd really rather not ... I only got this screen.

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 16:12

Ds1 watching the speech now
He is cackling madly and saying "oh my god" a lot

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 16:18

God help me I feel sorry for the poor woman

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 16:21

God help me I feel sorry for the poor woman

Think of all the poor and less able - through no fault of their own - that she has victimised, demonised, robbed of dignity, hounded to their deaths, and driven into a mire of despair.

I defy you to feel sorry now.

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 16:24

I know...i know...ds1 is disgusted at my soft heart 😔😣

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 16:28

At the risk of poor taste, it seems a shame that tonights TV news might have to prioritise events in Spain over covering TMs speech.

If that's the case, I might even be persuaded that there is a God and he listens to her Hmm

Peregrina · 04/10/2017 16:30

What a contrast to last year's conference, with its hubristic, xenophobic atmosphere. The only part I could feel sympathy for May for was when she talks of her desire to have had children and not being able to. I can't shed any other tears for someone who has caused so much harm to others. It reminded me of Mrs Thatcher leaving Downing Street in tears. I couldn't rustle up any sympathy then either.

I thought she handled the P45 interruption well.

TheElementsSong · 04/10/2017 16:34

My goodness, that was a car-crash of a speech, wasn't it? If only I could stir myself to feel sorry for our benighted PM.

Although for comedy gold content, I'm not sure any speech can match Leadsom's effort the other day; so many hilarious jokes I can't quite decide which was my favourite.

Was it when she was “so excited” on behalf of those who would “live most of their adult lives outside of the European Union”?
Or that "young people should be fired up about Brexit because robots will soon be picking raspberries for them"?
Or perhaps when she suggested areas of Scotland as “perfect terrain for satellite launching” - why yes, it must be the perfect combination of proximity to the Equator, the clear skies and settled climate, and the vast expanses of flat landscape?

Actually, I've just had a lightbulb moment. You know for the past year Brexiteers on here have been telling us there were going to be loads of Brexit benefits and they weren't going to tell Remoaners because of bullying/sneering/sarcasm? They've all been working for Andrea!

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 16:41

People being happy or excited on my behalf worry me.

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 17:09

Yikes. PM on R4 are tearing May's speech to bits a tad..

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 17:11

This whole conference has surely been a disaster for the Tories Shock

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 17:19

This whole conference has surely been a disaster for the Tories

If nothing else, it will redouble the desire to avoid an election. Not sure who that gives the upper hand to.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 17:45

A great conference for Arlene ?

Holliewantstobehot · 04/10/2017 17:47

Eddie Mair did a good job on that interview with Amber Rudd. I particularly liked the part where he listed all BJs racist comments and asked whether it was poor judgement by TM to allow him to represent the UK. He sounded quite angry actually.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 18:02

Alternative Reality

Michael Gove:

"I witnessed a great speech from a prime minister at the top of her game" Confused

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 18:03

Yes, I heard that Hollie and thought it was excellent and shocking to here it all listed like that. Amber Rudd was a wreck.

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