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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2017 23:08

That 350 net £250 million will be spread very thinly:

  • 30 agencies to replace current EU ones, that must be created and run by the Uk alone
  • creating new customs infrastructure - buying land, building, lorry parks, staff, new IT system & cost of its over-rums
  • increased pay for police, prison staff - to handle public unrest if there is an economic downturn
  • bungs for Nissan and other car manufacturers
  • bungs for any other manufacturer that imports Just In Time parts from the EU
  • bungs for banks not to leave London / compensate for losing financial oassporting
  • 28k subsidy per NI farmer
  • subsidies for other mainland farmers
  • probably a bigly bung for Trump's Scottish golf course ....
BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2017 23:11

The Brexodus Has Begun

https://global.handelsblatt.com/our-magazine/the-brexodus-has-begun-832426

Banks preparing for a hard Brexit are starting to shift staff to Frankfurt.

prettybird · 29/09/2017 23:20

Don't forget the £1+ billion bung bribe incentive to the DUP to keep May in power that's working well for them isn't it? Hmm

TheElementsSong · 29/09/2017 23:25

Brexit: political correctness gone mad

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/brexit-political-correctness-gone-mad.html?m=1

Cailleach1 · 29/09/2017 23:46

The gov't are spending all their time focussed on the internecine strife of their own making. It feels like the country is an 'also ran' on their list of priorities.

lonelyplanetmum · 30/09/2017 05:31
  • the cost of setting up,recruiting and ongoing funding of the flailing DExEU
  • legal costs of the unnecessary fight and appeal in the Supreme Court case, instead of simply acquiescing to a Parliamentary vote on triggering article 50
  • cost of the extra election

Anyone want to put figures on this and Bigchoc's list?

HashiAsLarry · 30/09/2017 06:52

Thanks rtb

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 07:08

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frumpety · 30/09/2017 07:12

Has anyone kept all these threads as a hard copy or put them on a cloud or whatever it is that you can do with stuff nowadays ?

Tugtupite · 30/09/2017 07:17

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 30/09/2017 07:21
  • ERC and H2020 science funding
  • regional development aid
  • ...
MangoSplit · 30/09/2017 07:33

Place marking

Motheroffourdragons · 30/09/2017 07:43

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woman11017 · 30/09/2017 07:52

Banned neo-Nazi terrorist groups still recruiting as aliases of National Action

Exclusive: Websites Scottish Dawn and NS131 remain online amid warnings over another possible front group

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-neo-nazis-banned-terrorist-groups-scottish-dawn-ns131-jews-gay-muslims-jo-cox-police-a7974836.html

Remainer mums have FB accounts taken down Hmm

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2017 07:59

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/29/electoral-commission-urged-reconsider-vote-leave-spending
Electoral Commission urged to reconsider view on Vote Leave spending
Watchdog faces possible judicial review over decision to close investigation into £625,000 for digital marketing firm

The Electoral Commission is to be challenged in court to reopen its investigation into £625,000 of spending that eventually reached a digital marketing company during the EU referendum last year.

The Good Law Project, which is headed by Jo Maugham QC, has written to the commission demanding that it reconsider its inquiry into how the funds reached AggregateIQ, a Canadian firm, in 2016

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mathanxiety · 30/09/2017 08:02

Big Brother does indeed seem to be watching us...
all people are equal but some people are more equal than others...
[Prettybird]

Don't forget "Jam Tomorrow".

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2017 08:02

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-are-trapped-in-a-zombie-apocalypse-5x3nhzvcz
Tories are trapped in a zombie apocalypse
Matthew Parris

This paralysed government is done for and it will now take a bold challenger for the leadership to save the party

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
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woman11017 · 30/09/2017 08:09

math thank you for reading list on other thread. This is on the BBCi player. Very revealing about british state and NI. www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/04/bobby-sands-66-days-review-hunger-strikes-documentary
Reminds me of how terrible the 'troubles' were and it makes the Good Friday Agreement seem even more precious.

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2017 08:38

John Redwood @ johnredwood
Balance of trade improves but as we sell more & more of our assets to overseas buyers more rewards will be sent out to foreign investors.
Inward investment remains v strong but the govt could improve the balance of payments by refusing to send the EU any more money after 3/19.
It would apparently take the UK offering the EU shed loads of money to get trade talks going. I am glad the UK is not doing so.
We should pay nothing for talk as the EU need trade talks more than we do or for a Free Trade deal as it is against the spirit of WTO rules
I remain to be persuaded that we owe the EU anything other than our regular contributions.
As the EU is clearly now overplaying their weak hand, the UK needs to show that it is serious about going for No Deal.

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LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 09:04

John Redwood appears to be doing an impersonation of someone who is incapable of understanding basic concepts.

It's a very good one, too.

prettybird · 30/09/2017 09:14

Mathanxiety - "Jam Tomorrow" indeed.

I could have gone to town with the parallels - like "Airstrip One" (the country formerly known as the UK being part of Oceania (essentially the USA which has taken over the former British Empire) rather than Eurasia (Europe/Russia), full of nasty foreign looking people; TVs that listen to and watch you (Smart TVs anyone?), a perpetual war (the War on Terrorism), the use of language to mean the opposite of what it actually means ("strong and stable", "smooth and orderly" Wink), the re-writing of history ("we never said we wanted to stay in the Single Market", "what £350million/week for the NHS?" Angry) but it would depress me too much ...... Sad

BlueEyeshadow · 30/09/2017 09:55
  • arts funding from Creative Europe and others (always gets forgotten)
HashiAsLarry · 30/09/2017 10:32

Admittedly I can be a massive cynic but this allowing of recommendation of above cap pay rises in hard to recruit roles seems like an exercise in trying to turn the public against workers who may well take to striking. If they take the rise, services will get cut elsewhere therefore they're greedy and it's their fault. If they don't then it'll be claimed things were never as bad as had been made out.

Peregrina · 30/09/2017 10:40

I am not sure about that Hashi - I think the public are at least waking up to what's happening in the NHS and still value it - hence the bus and the £350 million a week which no Leaver on MN believed. I think this is one strike that might be supported.

Holliewantstobehot · 30/09/2017 10:42

Is it really bad of me that I would actually like to watch the tory party implode over Brexit? Just for the irony really.

Wish Boris would just shut the fuck up. But then if he had done that to start off with...