8 teenagers in one car that crashed

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So they were driving the wrong way on a motorway and crashed in to a single driver. At 5.30am. Apparently the car was stolen. I'm seeing photos on tiktok and they look to be very young.

Where the hell are the parents in this?! I'm seeing tiktoks where the families of these 8 boys are asking for prayers, etc. I wonder if they feel any shame at all?! Or is that an emotion they are unfamiliar with.

I think these parents need to be held accountable in some way... My sympathy lies entirely with the driver of the other car.

Catholicism may not preach crime or violence but it's certainly practised both extensively over the centuries.

Just to be clear my comment wasn't promoting religion or looking back with rose tinted view My point was that our culture and society had a set of values that vast majority lived by so no it wasnt perfect but crap on this scale didnt happen. Those values came from home and teachers or local community garda and as much as people dont like it from church. There were repercussions for crime so 'in general' people respected others and their possessions. Fast forward to now and in the absence of values learned at home theres no learning or repercussions in school, no local garda so of course there are people who take advantage and do what they want, when they want, to who they want. Words written into a law or slaps on wrist mean nothing to them so here we are and all the powers that be offer is more laws.

I mentioned before we have 40 places nationally on youth detention (and those limited staff in Oberstown are about to go on strike). In the bad old days we had loads of industrial schools and other establishments for "bad boys". Fear and a real risk of detention is what was behind compliance in the past, not community or religion. As ever in Ireland we have moved too far from the mistakes of the past.

What could possibly go wrong when you dismantle family, church and industrial schools, 'asylums' and replace with precisely nothing but token services.

Yeah it is almost like taking away corporal punishment and assuming giving them three hail mary's and a decade of the rosary will work instead. This country is crazy at times.

LOL Yeah sometimes I wonder who is making these decisions. Its like what could possibly go wrong if you allow mopeds on the road with no tax or insurance or requirement to wear safety gear or reflective gear and no training and token requirements re speed limits they can get to. But then act surprised when the cases of death and serious injury go thro the roof.
Honestly sometimes my 13 year old applies more logic to decision making and thats saying something.
Its the same with these death riding crew. What could possibly go wrong when a vacuum of guidance and authority is created.

I read an article about the mother of one of the boys killed in the crash on the M9, Emilia Pustkowska.
Apparently she appealed to a judge to put her son in custody just a few weeks before the crash.
She also said she was so sorry for the other victims of the crash.

Another mother has apologised to the victims too.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2026/0825/1589146-jack-kennedy-funeral/

Good on her. It must be so hard to lose your child in such a shameful way. Everyone is judging him (rightly) but she is burying her baby. I feel the same about parents of murderers or rapists or any serious crime, it must be so isolating.

i’d argue that it was more about Ireland being a very different traditional, constrained and controlled society and it being quite rural.

But you’re going very far back. Youth crime has been a problem for 50 yesrs or so. And we aren’t even at the peak of it. Youth crime and joyriding in particular was a huge issue in the 1980’s and 1990’s.

Yes, this. And I'm not convinced secularisation of society and parental separation has really impacted Traveller boys in the way pp claims it affected wider society.

Travellers are the most likely to still attend church and divorce is strongly discouraged. Unfortunately, the Church seems as intimidated by Travellers as other institutions are and Travellers' greater religiosity doesn't seem to lead to lower crime rates. Male role models are present, it's probably the messages they often give Traveller boys that are part of the problem.

Very good points @Jane379

@Jane379 very good point. From what we know about these boys what they seem to have in common is that they were from marginalised groups - travellers, someone in the care system. If someone doesn’t feel part of society they can act out against it.

It hasn’t anything to do with secularism.

Ah now we didn’t replace it with nothing. We completely removed accountability for one’s own actions from a young offender. We tell them that the crimes perpetrated by a young offender are not is their fault because they are disadvantaged due to poverty or whatever other reason. So now they have something to blame their actions on.

@Crunchingleaf

Detaining kids literally trains them into a life of criminality. It doesn’t work to reduce reoffending rates. Throwing a bunch of wayward teens together, and taking them out of normal life is just not a good idea.

Countries who are most successful at having low reoffending rates focus on restoration justice and working with families ect..

Ill just say it again.....i wasn't harking back to sunlight and roses and Catholicism. I was simply saying that respect for others and their possessions were values that prevailed thro enough people that yes there was crime but not on this scale. These lads and their buddies in my local towns and villages who thrawl thro housing estates every night looking for unlocked cars to rob from and steal might have done it once or twice and then learned repercussions.

Happy to report that Simon Harris is aghast that there seems to be a lack of respect for others in the country now. If he knew anything about leadership he'd know it comes from the top down so it started with him. But it will all be ok as the parents of the 1000 worst offenders will be sent for counselling so we're sorted. Jesus Wept.

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