"Pubs and restaurants could close in January under harsh new curbs"

[Maddymorphosis]

Daily mail source but when things are leaked like this they're usually correct..
Why is this happening again... I fear it'll be another full lockdown, my partner works at a pub too, can't take anymore

What will happen if no furlough this time round?

I wish people calling for a full lockdown would think of people working in these industries

Should additional measures be put in place then it's unlikely there will be a ban on sitting outside, etc. Enterprising businesses will serve takeaway as they did before. But it's pointless speculating on what might happen in a few weeks. The figures from South Africa on omicron are encouraging - it has a greatly reduced death rate there in spite of increased transmissibility. Enforcing mask wearing, Covid passports and so on are a small price to pay until more is known about this and future variants.

By then it will be too late, tbh.

Always too late and therefore too harsh. Johnson is a useless PM, just useless.

Offered a choice between four weeks now and eight weeks in January, he would choose eight weeks in January

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

What will happen if no furlough this time round?

People will lose their homes and businesses will go bankrupt.

On the other hand, with no closures, the NHS looks like it will be overwhelmed.

So shit either way. The money side could be helped by government. The health care side can't be.

@rrhuth Why would you even want 4 weeks?

Is your household income affected by lockdowns?

I don't support another lockdown of any sort. I hope they don't do it.

[quote Nicknacky]@rrhuth Why would you even want 4 weeks?

Is your household income affected by lockdowns?[/quote]
Yes, my DH lost his job (hospitality!)

I do not WANT four weeks. I am just saying if Johnson had the choice between something bad now, or something twice as bad in a bit, he will always choose to wait. because he is a shit PM.

Then, I hope the government is ready for mass bankruptcy...

@rrhuth Then you should be more empathetic. I’ve seen you on many, many threads pushing for lockdowns and I can’t understand it.

There should be no lockdowns at all.

I don't think there's any point in more lockdowns if schools remain open.

And it would be terrible for schools to close again.

So I don't know the answer.

Several of my friends are teachers and each of the local schools are completely rampant with covid cases, with full classes having to isolate.

I think we are just heading for vaccine passports like other countries have, they’ll look particularly to countries in Europe that they deem reliable and will also hope it gets more people to vaccinate.

[quote Nicknacky]@rrhuth Then you should be more empathetic. I’ve seen you on many, many threads pushing for lockdowns and I can’t understand it.

There should be no lockdowns at all.[/quote]
I have not 'pushed for' lockdowns. You misrepresent me entirely.

Lockdowns are for when you've failed. I want ventilation, masks, investment, clearer guidance.

I do have empathy. We are facing an overwhelmed NHS, with terrible consequences, this is not easy. Business closures or dead bodies, it is shit for all of us.

YABU for not posting this hysteeriamongering shite in the COVID topic where it belongs.

My sons have heard nothing about this. They work in hospitality. They have an option to close one hour earlier on the nights they are open late.

@Redsquirrel5

My sons have heard nothing about this. They work in hospitality. They have an option to close one hour earlier on the nights they are open late.

Of course they’ve heard nothing about it, that means nothing either way. No one in the particular industry/profession hears about new rules affecting it before it’s announced in a press conference. Teachers don’t have an inside track on school closures, GPs don’t hear weeks until advance about vaccine policy, and hospitality doesn’t find out beforehand about possible restrictions. The people delivering vaccines found out about Johnson’s plan to bring forward booster jabs at the same time as everyone else.

@MiddleClassProblem

I think we are just heading for vaccine passports like other countries have, they’ll look particularly to countries in Europe that they deem reliable and will also hope it gets more people to vaccinate.

Wait middleclassproblem are there no vaccine passports used in the UK? I knew people were against them and masks but I thought you still had to prove you were vaccinated for indoor dining and stuff, is that not the case??

*Weeks in advance

By January it’ll be too late.

We should lockdown now if we want to really get a grip of Omicron. Christmas, cold weather and schools still open are the perfect storm to give it the extra push it really does not need.

Those worried about financial support, there is no way the government would impose restrictions without furlough, the devastation without would be too great.

Wait middleclassproblem are there no vaccine passports used in the UK? I knew people were against them and masks but I thought you still had to prove you were vaccinated for indoor dining and stuff, is that not the case??

No, just large events. Can’t remember the exact rules but it’s something like nightclubs, indoor unseated venues with a few hundred people or more (500 maybe?), outdoor unseated with more than 4,000 people, anywhere with more than 10,000.

@Maddymorphosis

I wish people calling for a full lockdown would think of people working in these industries

Most of the people who want more lockdowns are boomers in nice, safe, public sector jobs who get paid whatever happens and whether they work or not.

@SickAndTiredAgain

Wait middleclassproblem are there no vaccine passports used in the UK? I knew people were against them and masks but I thought you still had to prove you were vaccinated for indoor dining and stuff, is that not the case??

No, just large events. Can’t remember the exact rules but it’s something like nightclubs, indoor unseated venues with a few hundred people or more (500 maybe?), outdoor unseated with more than 4,000 people, anywhere with more than 10,000.

Oh fucking hell sickandtiredagain I hadn't realised it was that ridiculous 😳

@RuggerHug do you live somewhere where you need them for more things then? The rules I said above are only coming in from tomorrow.

I do not WANT four weeks. I am just saying if Johnson had the choice between something bad now, or something twice as bad in a bit, he will always choose to wait. because he is a shit PM

@rrhuth you’re not wrong in your observations here.

@Redsquirrel5

My sons have heard nothing about this. They work in hospitality. They have an option to close one hour earlier on the nights they are open late.

Ok everyone, stand down, Redsquirrel’s sons have spoken!