"Pubs and restaurants could close in January under harsh new curbs"

[Maddymorphosis]

Daily mail source but when things are leaked like this they're usually correct..
Why is this happening again... I fear it'll be another full lockdown, my partner works at a pub too, can't take anymore

[quote SickAndTiredAgain]@RuggerHug do you live somewhere where you need them for more things then? The rules I said above are only coming in from tomorrow.[/quote]
Yeah I'm in ROI. You have to show you're vaccinated or recovered in the last 6 months for pubs,restaurants, gyms. Outdoor events there's less but indoors(gigs,cinema etc) it's 50% capacity, masks and pass.

@Maddymorphosis

I wish people calling for a full lockdown would think of people working in these industries

Good luck with that one...

I'll be honest it does feel like I'm stuck in a dystopian video game now

This round: covid partially evades vaccine immunity, you don't know how severe it is, if you act now you fuck Christmas meaning people lose income, if you wait it could be too late and you'll have to lockdown whilst lots of people die and others lose income...

What makes me angry is we didn't pick up much useful stuff in the earlier levels, like vaccines for kids, ventilation investment etc.

I agree @rrhuth. There’s no sense that we’ve actually really done everything we could to avoid more stringent measures or protect incomes and health. We’ll never really know if the lower level measures would have made a difference because they just weren’t tried 🤷‍♀️

I’ve just had to send my dd off to school again waiting for a PCR result as a close contact because I can’t afford to get into attendance fines etc. if she’s positive she’s merrily spreading it round the class right now or picking it up from another kid whose infection isn’t detected yet. Where’s the sense in that given rising cases?

I think the government know that they can't lockdown again even if they wanted to.

If lots of children start getting really sick, if lots of young people start getting really sick then a lockdown could be justified. We need to move to a situation where anyone who is considered vulnerable - the elderly, people with health conditions, the unvaccinated etc isolate themselves to protect themselves as best they can.

We need to start seeing more detail in the daily stats - numbers by age group, underlying health conditions and unvaccinated because if the majority of the population are not really affected by this then life needs to go on.

The NHS is like Waiting for Godot. Always on the brink of being overwhelmed but it never happens does it? And this time, it's all for a variant which every available piece of evidence from SA suggests is milder than what we have been dealing with previously. Of course, that's not good enough for the scientists and fear-porn peddlers who have spent the past 18 months pushing for lockdowns and further restrictions. These folk are happy to throw their fellow citizens who work in hospitality under a bus because they are alright jack. Of course they are.

@churchofthepoisonmind

The NHS is like Waiting for Godot. Always on the brink of being overwhelmed but it never happens does it? And this time, it's all for a variant which every available piece of evidence from SA suggests is milder than what we have been dealing with previously. Of course, that's not good enough for the scientists and fear-porn peddlers who have spent the past 18 months pushing for lockdowns and further restrictions. These folk are happy to throw their fellow citizens who work in hospitality under a bus because they are alright jack. Of course they are.

Very true

@Changemusthappen

We need to start seeing more detail in the daily stats - numbers by age group, underlying health conditions and unvaccinated because if the majority of the population are not really affected by this then life needs to go on

All these figures are freely available.

These are desparate times. I have had to cancel out of three functions in London over the pre-Christmas period. This will be horrid for the venues involved and their staff. And this time, there is no furlough. It will be better to close, and provide support than have continuously empty venues. As is always the case, it is the hope that kills you.

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

What will happen if no furlough this time round?

Then people will loose jobs and the economy rebalance away from the service sector which it needed. Recessions and job losses like booms in other sectors are required in an economy evolving to meet needs.

Hahhah “rebalance away from service sector” what are these workers going to do? Cloud engineering? Data security and Ai? ODFO with your GCSE economics analysis.

@RuggerHug some venues have requested it before the rules coming in such as Lapland U.K. but think you can also get a pass with a negative lateral flow if unvaccinated from what I’ve read. I’ve no experience as I’ve not been anywhere other than restaurants where they are not required but I have family who have been in France who said you need it most places, even to get a coffee.

I have no issue with it but that’s easy for me to say as I’m doubled jabbed, booked in for my 3rd next week and I have no reason I’m unable to be vaccinated or anti vax feelings.

I think it’s one of many options available that they have before considering a lockdown. I think they will do what they can to avoid riot/violent protests that we have seen in other countries.

Yeah I'm in ROI. You have to show you're vaccinated or recovered in the last 6 months for pubs,restaurants, gyms. Outdoor events there's less but indoors(gigs,cinema etc) it's 50% capacity, masks and pass.

Yeah, how’s that worked out for you?

and yet Sky News are reporting positive news in that 2 doses of Pfizer offers 70% protection against hospitalisation and Chair of the South African Medical Association Angelique Coetzee has said the country is still on the same level of restrictions amid the surge of Omicron.

"She called for people to be "responsible" by getting a vaccination, saying they still protect against the virus"

"The cases are predominately mild... we don't see a need for stricter restrictions,"

There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for another bloody lockdown. I cannot understand the people who want this, I just can't.

Surely they would bring in vaccine passports before closing them completely. That way they don't have to pay any furlough.

@DynamiteFilledRadish

There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for another bloody lockdown. I cannot understand the people who want this, I just can't.

No one wants it, some people just think the data is looking bad enough to suggest there will be a lot of deaths by Jan/Feb.

Those who don't want lockdown don't want deaths, and those who don't want deaths don't want lockdown.

None of us want either deaths or lockdown.

None of us want this bloody bastard Omicron variant.

@DynamiteFilledRadish

and yet Sky News are reporting positive news in that 2 doses of Pfizer offers 70% protection against hospitalisation and Chair of the South African Medical Association Angelique Coetzee has said the country is still on the same level of restrictions amid the surge of Omicron.

"She called for people to be "responsible" by getting a vaccination, saying they still protect against the virus"

"The cases are predominately mild... we don't see a need for stricter restrictions,"

The problem the UK has is our elderly had AZ, not Pfizer, but this is good news for the under-40s I guess.

Then people will loose jobs and the economy rebalance away from the service sector which it needed. Recessions and job losses like booms in other sectors are required in an economy evolving to meet needs.

It''s 'lose', not 'loose'.

And what is going to suddenly replace the millions of jobs lost in the service sector? How do you envisage this 'rebalancing'?

@SickAndTiredAgain

Wait middleclassproblem are there no vaccine passports used in the UK? I knew people were against them and masks but I thought you still had to prove you were vaccinated for indoor dining and stuff, is that not the case??

No, just large events. Can’t remember the exact rules but it’s something like nightclubs, indoor unseated venues with a few hundred people or more (500 maybe?), outdoor unseated with more than 4,000 people, anywhere with more than 10,000.

And if you want to visit people in nursing and care homes. Some will just ask for lateral flow tests, some want to see the full 3 jabs + LFTs.

Then people will loose jobs and the economy rebalance away from the service sector which it needed. Recessions and job losses like booms in other sectors are required in an economy evolving to meet needs.

This is a dreadful take. This is not what anyone wants in an economy and is a sign of a shock, public policy failure or some other problem.

You need a boom in other areas to alleviate a decline - where is this happening currently???

I can't help thinking that these sort of leaks are done intentionally to make us more amenable to new restrictions instead (eg. more use of Covid passes, restrictions on household mixing etc). What we really need is a bit of honesty and proper leadership

Pubs and restaurants shutting wouldn't affect me as I don't go in them that often ! however the effects on the economy and for those working in them and just everything else would be just awful :(
Not to mention the loss of revenue to the government too.
These places are needed.

@bumbleymummy

Yeah I'm in ROI. You have to show you're vaccinated or recovered in the last 6 months for pubs,restaurants, gyms. Outdoor events there's less but indoors(gigs,cinema etc) it's 50% capacity, masks and pass.

Yeah, how’s that worked out for you?

Bumbleymummy About half as many deaths per person in the population so far. So I'd say much better that saying fuckit let's do the absolute minimum.

If there is another lockdown, business closures should be funded like last time. The Government have got money and they need to spend it on supporting small businesses who would otherwise go under.