Upset after vaccine

[mangojango]

I had the covid vaccine yesterday and I'm upset about it. I couldn't stop crying yesterday.

I was slightly scared about catching covid but I also think my mind wasn't clear about whether or not I wanted to get it as the narrative seems to suggest we'll have to have vaccine passports etc.

Family and friends have all had the vaccine and I didn't want to be left behind. I felt pressure to take it even though it is not mandatory yet.

I don't know why I'm typing this. Anyone else feel like this?

Hi @SecondRow -
Here:
www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html#18-serious-adverse-events

As you can see @MRex the statistic I quoted does not include the milder possible side effects (that stats for these are obviously a lot higher). I’ve also read through the FDA documents which are provided on this page.
I am not saying it would absolutely result in death. I don’t fancy a heart attack or a stroke either though thank you.
I’m not saying either that people should not have it- I thought I had made that clear.

You are comparing death with an event that has only in a few rarw circumstances led to death. Pericarditis for example can be mild and temporary, yet your figures have given it the same weight as actual death. You've included other mild side effects to get to that figure too. Do what you like with having a vaccine or not, but it's much better if you look at real sources of information rather than letting anti-vax liars keep earning revenue from your clicks.

And this is the problem - neither of you providing any sources for your figures, 30LittleToes says 0.66% chance of heart attack, stroke or death but MRex says that figure includes milder reactions like pericardititis, so who do we believe and how are we supposed to check?

Everyone has their own biases (as mrex shows with her dig about anti-vax liars despite presumably having no idea where PP got her figures from) and no-one seems to be able to provide a balanced view. You're either a selfish anti-vaxxer killing other people or a mindless sheep killing yourself.

I had the first AZ 12 weeks ago just as the blood clot news was beginning to gain momentum and spent a very unpleasant and highly stressful four weeks waiting to see if I was the one who was going to win the deadly lottery. I really don't want to put myself through that again, especially when so many countries are either not offering AZ to any one in my age group and giving those who did have a first dose of AZ the choice of a second dose of Pfizer instead (or sometimes there is not even a choice).

Treating people like me in the same way as the microchip crowd is insulting and totally counter-productive - I know it totally pushes me the other way. Railing at people who have genuine concerns or anxieties and who know full well that the figures we have been given in regards to risk are in favour of vaccination and yet still can't make that choice to actively put ourselves in harms way (rather than passively waiting to see if we get COVID) and telling us to 'just get over ourselves' are not exactly encouraging us to do our bit for society when that society includes people like you!

Personally I'm waiting to a bit longer to make a decision about a second vaccine, trying to find as much info as I can (hence why I read threads like this) and personally hoping that they will eventually offer Pfizer as a second dose, like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Italy etc because then I'm 95% sure I would take it.

I totally understand where you are coming from OP.

Though I now see 30LittleToes has pasted a link (so thank you!).

@mangojango

It’s safe
Don’t listen to anyone who tells you different.
Why

They are wrong
They are selfish
They are anti vaccine people.

[quote mangojango]@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep I didn't think coronavirus was that much of a risk for me personally , being female, fit young and healthy. 🤷🏻‍♀️ sick of self sacrificing to be honest. [/quote]
But no one forced you to have it. You had FOMO and did it because of that, no other reason. If you don't want the second jab, don't have it, other people will be queuing up to have it.

They are wrong
They are selfish
They are anti vaccine people

In your opinion

@Notthemessiah - www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting.
Deaths percentage - you look at the number of possible deaths (mostly not confirmed) and number of vaccines given. Other adverse reactions - see appendix 1.

Use Google if you want to see the dodgy sources that others get numbers from, I will not link sites where unsavoury types make a living from lying. They're based on US VAERS reporting rather than MHRA for UK, so not directly comparable but it's fairly obvious how the numbers are twisted.

Thanks Mrex. I am aware of the yellow card site and follow it quite closely to see how the numbers are changing as regards the chances of blood clot with low platelets after both first and, especially, second dose.

I do think it’s important that people can differentiate between those who distrust vaccines and don’t believe the figures or what they are being told and those who do believe it (or at least mostly believe it) but find it very hard to make an active choice to put themselves at risk of an adverse reaction from vaccination, no matter how small the risk may be (and I’m not sure a 1 in 50,000 chance for the first dose of AZ is really that small tbh).

A bit of understanding that not everyone is able to judge risk or act totally rationally (so every human being basically) would be nice.

I feel exactly the same and spent weeks worrying about it. I've now decided not to go for my 2nd jab. The anxiety it was causing was far worse than the thought of catching covid. I also went for it because of the passport and feeling pressured into it.

@Notthemessiah

Thanks Mrex. I am aware of the yellow card site and follow it quite closely to see how the numbers are changing as regards the chances of blood clot with low platelets after both first and, especially, second dose.

I do think it’s important that people can differentiate between those who distrust vaccines and don’t believe the figures or what they are being told and those who do believe it (or at least mostly believe it) but find it very hard to make an active choice to put themselves at risk of an adverse reaction from vaccination, no matter how small the risk may be (and I’m not sure a 1 in 50,000 chance for the first dose of AZ is really that small tbh).

A bit of understanding that not everyone is able to judge risk or act totally rationally (so every human being basically) would be nice.

I was not addressing you. I was explicitly addressing the poster who posted information lifted directly from an anti-vax site where the risk for dying of COVID is made out to be equivalent to "severe" events that are absolutely NOT what the poster describes "heart attacks" etc, and I quoted them in doing so. If you don't wish to take small risks in order to avoid larger risks then that is your choice to make and I have no issue with anyone making that choice. I only take issue with people who manipulate figures to lie and confuse those who do not have a strong enough knowledge or understanding of the underlying data, and the only reason I do that is because I despise liars.

Sorry mrex, I wasn't addressing you specifically either so apologies if you read it that way.

@Notthemessiah

Sorry mrex, I wasn't addressing you specifically either so apologies if you read it that way.

Then I agree with you . I try to give space for most people's opinions and different approaches in life. As you say we're none of us fully rational anyway.

Hi @MRex- I assume you might be addressing me.

The CDC is the US’s public national health body- their ‘nhs’ equivalent. Albeit not free!
I haven’t exactly lifted statistics from “some anti-vaccine site”. Incidentally the definition of what they deem severe adverse events is included in the reports in the relevant sections.
I am aware of the yellow card site also and it is not my intention to manipulate anything.

I’m not trying to argue with anyone here so I find your post’s tone somewhat belligerent.

@Blessex

No. Am so relieved I just had my second so I won’t catch Covid.

Someone pass me the a strong drink. 🤦🏻‍♀️.

@30littletoes - so innocent! That 0.66 figure isn't even on the CDC site, it's nonsense.
"The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group."
That's not 0.66%, it's an additional 0.1%, which can actually be accounted for by the higher number of appendicitis cases. Which isn't to say that there are no severe adverse events after vaccination, there are of course some. What people use as data now however is the real life data, where the rates of severe adverse effects are thankfully very low as you can see on the MHRA report. You are stating as a "fact" that governments around the world are vaccinating people with Pfizer despite it having a 0.66% severe adverse event rate, which is defined by you as life altering events such as heart attacks. That means the NHS alone would have to be deliberately hiding over 97,020 post-vaccine hospitalisations, or 167,640 if there's an effect from the second dose too.

Oh, and for your figures to work, the CDC would also be hiding 1.1m Pfizer vaccine related serious event hospitalisations too, Germany hiding 280,566, France hiding 221,430... why would they all do this?

@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Ugh The vaccine fear in this country is such a first world problem. We are going to get back to almost normal because enough people have been offered and taken this vaccine. Literally millions of people have had it. Now stop indulging this silliness and feel grateful.

Pmsl. I haven't stopped laughing at your comments since you posted them on Saturday. "Back to normal"?? Are you really so naive? We will never get back to normal. We haven't seen anything yet. Wait until October/ November time, then come and tell me we're getting back to normal!! Next, you will be telling me, that all this is down to a virus only.

Do me a favour, screenshot my comments and come back in six months. I pray to God that you come back to mock me for being wrong. Stop reading the Daily Fail and stop listening to the BBC.

[quote MRex]@30littletoes - so innocent! That 0.66 figure isn't even on the CDC site, it's nonsense.
"The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group."
That's not 0.66%, it's an additional 0.1%, which can actually be accounted for by the higher number of appendicitis cases. Which isn't to say that there are no severe adverse events after vaccination, there are of course some. What people use as data now however is the real life data, where the rates of severe adverse effects are thankfully very low as you can see on the MHRA report. You are stating as a "fact" that governments around the world are vaccinating people with Pfizer despite it having a 0.66% severe adverse event rate, which is defined by you as life altering events such as heart attacks. That means the NHS alone would have to be deliberately hiding over 97,020 post-vaccine hospitalisations, or 167,640 if there's an effect from the second dose too.[/quote]
As someone who is not great at understanding and interpreting statistical data, I'm finding the information you've provided to be quite reassuring. I was vaccine hesitant (not at all anti-vax) but I went ahead and had the Pfizer. Typically, since my vaccination I'm hearing so much about the link with heart problems such as cardiomyopathy that I've been so worried. The 0.6% chance of severe side effects seemed a very large risk. Of course, this is me presuming you information to be factually correct but I'm happy to assume that it is if it gives me some peace of mind.

@Leaveitonthefloordrobe - you can check figures for yourself at the MHRA link and it's great to do so, because you shouldn't just believe anyone online.

@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep And yet all the vulnerable have been vaccinated, vanishingly few people are dying of Covid and yet the gov still refuses to return our freedom.

Well personally I would prefer the stepped approach return of our freedoms rather than open everything up too quick and than find us up shut creek again.
The NHS is so far behind with it's waiting lists so we really cannot afford too many hospital admissions. So far so good but this can change very rapidly.
We need to make the most of our current freedoms and just hang in there a little longer.

@flowerpowerss

I feel exactly the same and spent weeks worrying about it. I've now decided not to go for my 2nd jab. The anxiety it was causing was far worse than the thought of catching covid. I also went for it because of the passport and feeling pressured into it.

Me too Which one did you get

@mangojango

I had the covid vaccine yesterday and I'm upset about it. I couldn't stop crying yesterday.

I was slightly scared about catching covid but I also think my mind wasn't clear about whether or not I wanted to get it as the narrative seems to suggest we'll have to have vaccine passports etc.

Family and friends have all had the vaccine and I didn't want to be left behind. I felt pressure to take it even though it is not mandatory yet.

I don't know why I'm typing this. Anyone else feel like this?

This is my story too! Saw everyone getting it and panicked to get mine. I feel so stupid! Haven't stopped thinking about the stupid thing I've done since 8 weeks lol

What one did you get?