Fed up of being labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’

[WilsonMilson]

Just that. I’ve expressed some concerns about the vaccines, AZ in particular.

I’m very glad we have vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable, as covid can be deadly. But, as yet we simply do not have the data on longer term outcomes from vaccines and that concerns me when we start jabbing the young and the healthy. We are already seeing blood clots with AZ becoming a serious issue.

I’d consider myself an educated and informed person. My ds has had all his routine vaccinations to now and I am not a tin foil hat wearer, flat earthier, or conspiracy loon of any description. Yet, whenever trying to initiate a sensible discussion based on science and reason, it gets shot down as conspiracy or am labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’, which I am emphatically not.

Why is is so difficult, here and elsewhere to have a sensible discussion about this?

I think people who refer to those not having the vaccine as anti vaxers are a bit dim and stupid, ill educated.
Just laugh in their face and call them idiot.
When they start on about being a conspiricist I usually fall about laughing.
Come on OP, why are you bothered about what some ill educated dim idiot thinks.
You know your reasons and that's good enough.

@Devlesko

I think people who refer to those not having the vaccine as anti vaxers are a bit dim and stupid, ill educated. Just laugh in their face and call them idiot. When they start on about being a conspiricist I usually fall about laughing. Come on OP, why are you bothered about what some ill educated dim idiot thinks. You know your reasons and that's good enough.

Is that how you usually explore different lines of debate with people?

* Just laugh in their face and call them idiot. *

Is an unpleasant, albeit very capable of writing at a young age, 5 year old on his mum’s phone?

Not at all, but if people are that stupid, they'd be incapable of debate.
Also, there is no debate, you aren't a conspiricist or anti vaxer just because you don't want a particular vaccine.
Now, if you believed in the "released on purpose" theory, or the Bill Gates theory, well fair enough, you will attract these comments. .

@Sunshinegirl82 I think we’re doing fine with releasing restrictions despite not even all of the most vulnerable being vaccinated. Of course if younger people want to be vaccinated for whatever reason then fair enough but no, I don’t think they need to be vaccinated.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Sunshinegirl82 I think we’re doing fine with releasing restrictions despite not even all of the most vulnerable being vaccinated. Of course if younger people want to be vaccinated for whatever reason then fair enough but no, I don’t think they need to be vaccinated.[/quote]
I’m probably one of the least ‘doomy’ on here but I agree with Sunshine

You can see the effect in Bolton as IV hits

30s and 40s do need to be vaccinated

Maybe it is high BLI as suggested earlier but I’d want to see data

@WilsonMilson

Just that. I’ve expressed some concerns about the vaccines, AZ in particular.

I’m very glad we have vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable, as covid can be deadly. But, as yet we simply do not have the data on longer term outcomes from vaccines and that concerns me when we start jabbing the young and the healthy. We are already seeing blood clots with AZ becoming a serious issue.

I’d consider myself an educated and informed person. My ds has had all his routine vaccinations to now and I am not a tin foil hat wearer, flat earthier, or conspiracy loon of any description. Yet, whenever trying to initiate a sensible discussion based on science and reason, it gets shot down as conspiracy or am labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’, which I am emphatically not.

Why is is so difficult, here and elsewhere to have a sensible discussion about this?

Around 280 have had clots following AZ. Of which 49 died. That is out of 28.5 million doses given. The risk factor is tiny compared to Covid.