US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4

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Thread 4 for those following and commenting on the above subject.

Exactly. I was making the point that they don't hurt 'the regime' as per the pp's comment. They are a cruel device and inflict suffering on the population. They just have better optics than bombing civilian infrastructure. It's very clear that neither helps the Iranian women.

I agree with @Newbutoldfather that sanctions would be less tolerated in Israel compared to Iran. The problem may be that the a large percentage of Israelis, the majority depending on the actual question, support settlers or settlement in theory/in certain areas.

Rabin used to say every Israeli has a "dream" to wake up one morning and find that the Palestinians had simply vanished. Rabin would then add: "But this dream will never be realized, so we must find a way to live in peace with our Palestinian neighbors." That was back in 1992 before his very suspicious assassination. Considering the life of Palestinians has not only not improved but become worse, I'm guessing the idea of living in peace has gone out the window and the plan is to simply "encourage" voluntary emigration. Must be so frustrating for Israel that nobody will help them with this plan by accepting millions of refugees driven off their own lands.

That's a very pleasant way to put it!

Well they have now sanitized the whole thing. They try not to use the term encourage voluntary emigration and now call it "the free movement plan". Sounds much better. A bit like renaming Windscale to Sellafield when people were concerned about nuclear power. I remember a joke by Lenny Henry pretending to be a news reader also saying that and from now on, radiation will now be called magic moonbeams.

Nuclear Dust comes to mind.

Yes, violence and cruelty sanitised.

It's more than "better optics" for the people of Iran.

I know which I would prefer if l lived in a country at war with the US if the choice was economic sanctions or being bombed.

@Newbutoldfather

I just want to say that you have swayed me a bit with some of your points, and I feel you have been swayed in some too. In the general chat I mean. Not re specific posters.

What to say? Talk good, bombing bad. That's all I want to say...

From the Telegraph:

“US military chiefs have warned Pete Hegseth that extending the war with Iran is unsustainable.
In a reported classified warning to the US defence secretary, the leaders of the US army, navy and air force said that prolonging the conflict was critically weakening the United States’ ability to confront threats elsewhere, including at home.
Donald Trump has repeatedly said that all options remain open, including returning to full-scale conflict, in an effort to increase pressure on Iran.
Yet, six months into the conflict, the consensus of senior military leaders was that it had been “too much for too long”, The Washington Post reported, citing sources familiar with the recent assessment.
Negotiations with Tehran are at a stalemate, the Strait of Hormuz remains effectively closed, Americans are increasingly frustrated with the protracted conflict and defence officials are worried about depleted stockpiles”
“In case Mr Trump orders more attacks, US central command has kept 50,000 troops on alert for months. Some forces are expected to stay in the Middle East well into 2027.
The generals and admirals, including those overseeing US operations in Europe, Asia and Latin America, said they disagreed with Mr Hegseth’s order to extend their forces, arguing it had weakened US capabilities elsewhere.
The US navy has been particularly overstretched in the conflict, providing dozens of warships and its carriers to the region for the war and then to enforce a blockade of Iranian ports.
Admiral Daryl Caudle, the chief of naval operations, said that barely a quarter of the navy’s destroyer fleet is ready to deploy, according to the report.”
“The USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group this week returned to San Diego after a 10-month deployment – the longest for a carrier in the post-Cold War era.
On Sunday Mojtaba Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, urged Muslim countries, particularly those in the Gulf, to unite against what he called their “real enemy” in a written statement.
“Khamenei still has not been seen publicly since his father and other senior leaders were killed in the war’s opening strikes on Feb 28, when the US and Israel attacked.
He called the US and Israel enemies of all Islamic nations. “My enduring and repeating advice to rulers of Islamic nations,” he wrote, “is to know your real enemy, understand its plans and confront it.”
His call to action comes as Iran appears to be showing signs of struggle under the weight of the US blockade.
Long queues at petrol stations have been reported in recent days in several major cities including Tehran, Isfahan and Bandar Abbas, as fuel prices continue to rise.”
“On Monday, the Trump administration announced additional sanctions on Iran and Iran-linked entities to force Tehran to make concessions.
In public, however, Iranian officials have remained defiant. “The enemy has targeted our oil and gas resources, and our production has fallen. We are standing firm in the war, but we have to help increase the country’s resilience,” said Masoud Pezeshkian, the Iranian president, on Friday.”

Excerpt From
“Hegseth told not to extend Iran war”
The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AGtFjDBRUQh6-SLzIQrqtPw
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Quote "In a reported classified warning to the US defence secretary, the leaders of the US army, navy and air force said that prolonging the conflict was critically weakening the United States’ ability to confront threats elsewhere, including at home."

We know the gist of the article. But this bit ", .....including at home."

Antifa or meal team 6 ?

I mean, I doubt it will reach China but from the WSJ:

“For years, Washington has imposed sanctions on Iran and its regime’s supporters while largely sparing the foreign banks that help Tehran evade those sanctions. The Trump administration wants to change that.
Days after Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent announced an “economic D-Day” campaign against Iran’s enablers, the department announced on Aug. 28 it will cut off five United Arab Emirates-based branches of Egypt’s state-owned Banque Misr from access to the U.S. financial system. Treasury can complete the measure after a 30-day public comment period. This gives the bank, along with regulators in Egypt and the U.A.E., a window to coordinate with Washington and address misconduct. If the bank credibly cleans house, Treasury can reconsider the proposed measure.
According to Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCEN, which monitors and reports on suspicious financial activity, the targeted branches have processed about $1.8 billion for 103 suspected Iranian shadow banking fronts since 2024, including companies tied to Iran’s Defense Ministry and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. ”
“The regime in Iran leverages a network that includes thousands of opaque shell companies and trading houses—especially in places like the U.A.E. and Hong Kong—to evade sanctions by moving billions in oil and petrochemical proceeds, ultimately gaining access to the U.S. financial system.
By acting against foreign banks that service this network, the Trump administration is applying a level of pressure rarely seen across administrations. The president’s critics will argue that the announcement falls short of Mr. Bessent’s promise of a major sanctions action, but they are mistaken. Threatening to cut Banque Misr UAE’s access to the U.S. financial system is a sanction in every meaningful sense.
By leaving a window open for reform, the Trump administration seeks to change behavior—not merely punish it. But Banque Misr UAE must only be the start. Hong Kong is another major hub that FinCEN identifies as harboring Iran’s shadow-banking fronts. Treasury should consider similar actions against one or more Hong Kong banks. Treasury should also apply full blocking sanctions to China’s Bank of Kunlun by adding it to the Specially Designated Nationals List.”
“Bank of Kunlun is ultimately controlled by China National Petroleum Corp., one of China’s largest state-owned enterprises. Washington cut the bank off from U.S. correspondent banking in 2012, but the bank has continued facilitating Iranian business. That’s because the bank did little business in dollars to begin with, making its U.S. financial cutoff largely symbolic, while Treasury’s limited action never forced CNPC to choose between Kunlun and other interests. A full blocking designation would force CNPC to decide whether keeping the bank alive is worth exposing its far larger commercial interests to the risks that come with owning a financial institution subject to sanctions.
Treasury can go further. The action taken against Banque Misr UAE draws on Section 311 of the Patriot Act. Section 311 measures can target not only individual financial institutions but entire classes of transactions. FinCEN could use that authority to require heightened scrutiny of oil- and petrochemical-related transactions exhibiting the hallmarks it already associates with Iranian sanctions evasion: large round-dollar payments, rapid movement of funds, unclear commercial purposes, unusual use of exchange houses, and discrepancies between payments and underlying trade records.”
“That scrutiny should extend to the Iranian oil that is frequently rebranded as Malaysian and sold to Chinese buyers. China’s reported oil imports from Malaysia vastly exceed what Malaysia itself reports exporting. That discrepancy ought to be a warning for banks involved, especially since China purchases roughly 90% of Iran’s exported oil. More pressure from Treasury could help keep them from ignoring it.
Treasury’s latest action suggests the U.S. may finally be moving beyond chasing Iranian shell companies toward threatening the foreign financial infrastructure that keeps them alive. That would be a meaningful break with the approach of past administrations. But for it to be a success, the campaign needs to be sustained—and it needs to reach China.”

Excerpt From
“Opinion | Trump’s New Iran Sanctions Put China on Notice”
Max Meizlish
The Wall Street Journal
https://apple.news/AU_I_QFuPTROUVNnT2lAVHg
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UKMTO reported that a tanker was hit in the Strait last night

https://www.ukmto.org/recent-incidents

Key details from the official UKMTO Warning 122-26 regarding the incident at 2035 UTC on August 29, and posted late on Sunday, August 30, 2026:

Incident: A tanker was struck by an unknown projectile while transiting inbound into the Arabian Gulf.
Location: Approximately 12 nautical miles north of Khasab, Oman.
Report timing: Received as a time-late report (incident details linked to 29 August 2026, ~2053 UTC; warning issued 30 August 2026). Source: Military authorities.
Impact: No casualties reported. No environmental impact reported at this time.
Status: Authorities are investigating.
Advisory: Vessels are advised to transit with caution and report any suspicious activity to UKMTO.

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/tanker-struck-by-unknown-projectile-in-strait-of-hormuz-ukmto-warning-1.500657396

The US is controlling the Strait, right?

In terms of imposing a U.S. blockade on Iranian exports through the Strait of Hormuz - yes.

In terms of preventing Iranian drones from hitting tankers - no.

According to the official WH press release

"President Trump Was Right: America Controls the Strait of Hormuz"

I saw that claim and it relates to this

• Iranian mines have been cleared from the Strait’s international shipping lanes.
• Nearly 1,500 commercial vessels have moved through under U.S. protection, carrying 750 million barrels of crude to the world.
• Iran has exported zero oil from its shores since the blockade resumed in July.
• 75 vessels that tried to break the blockade were turned around.
• Gulf oil exports have recovered to two-thirds of pre–operation levels — and continue to rise.

www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/08/president-trump-was-right-america-controls-the-strait-of-hormuz/

Seriously you need to check your sources. I think if you look further into that it will also tell you about the speech he made claiming he is number 1 on Tiktok, higher than Tailor Swift. I'm serious, he said it.

So safety in the Strait is the US' resposibility.

Trump claimed the Strait is open and safe to transit

What? It's the same source that @TopPocketFind mentioned first.

The official WH press release.

It's also the same source that claimed "Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News"

Well it was your source @TopPocketFind you mentioned it first

It was.

And none of these claims are backed up by reality/facts

'Mission accomplished"?

Well some of them are. Which ones that I listed do you think are untrue?

I haven't fact checked them, which is the troubling part.

We can't believe these statements without fact check.