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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli government, police and IDF treatment and dehumanisation of non-Jewish Israelis and Palestinians outside of Gaza

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Finallyloggedin · 03/06/2024 21:37

Apologies for the long title! There are so many awful things happening to the Palestinians in the West Bank, the Christians in Israel and others.

I thought there was already a thread detailing this but now can’t find it, apologies if I am missing it. Or it may have already been full.

Here is a clip of Israeli minister of finance, Bezelal Smotrich, vowing to topple Netanyahu’s government and calling for genocidal violence in the West Bank.
https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 19:42

From Haaretz (Israeli newspaper)

ISRAEL: Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Israel approved building five new illegal outposts in the West Bank in response to unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state by some countries, adding that "we will establish a new settlement" every time this happens. Smotrich said he believes "the war is going well," and that the most serious issue related to the war is the IDF's opposition to establishing a military government in Gaza.

In response, the U.K. Foreign Office stated that it "strongly opposes" the announcement, and called on Israel to "halt its illegal settlement expansion and hold to account those responsible for extremist settler violence," and for Israeli actions to weaken the Palestinian Authority to end.

That man Smotrich is loathsome, the lowest sort, and he is bringing Israel down to his level.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/07/2024 19:51

AhNowTed · 01/07/2024 10:43

Jews risking their life and limb to support Palestinian shepherds in their struggle to fend off settler terrorism. All respect to them. Fabulous work.

x.com/mistaclim/status/1807664915911426497?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

www.mistaclim.org/

They are impressive and brave. It is so important to remember that there are Israelis like this, so committed to peace that they are risking their own lives.

The same is true for those Israeli activists who were guarding the aid trucks from settlers trying to stop them, or trying to destroy the aid.

NB It says people can donate.

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ScrollingLeaves · 08/07/2024 12:05

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 10:02

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1810180497047167221?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

What possible hope do Palestinians have against this?

That is the truth of what is happening, and has been happening over a long time.

This is just one of the ways the ‘not’ terrorists occupy and invade.

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 17:50

https://x.com/yehudashaul/status/1810281929360679105?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“BREAKING: Israeli authorities have just demolished a school in the village of Umm Lasafa, South Hebron Hills (SHH). This round of demolition was preceded by 2 other rounds in the SHH just today.”

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https://x.com/yehudashaul/status/1810281929360679105?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 09/07/2024 09:17

https://x.com/sohiubn/status/1810516009196888441?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Thieves, in the West Bank, I believe.

The top comment reads “they are not settlers, they are foreign occupiers “. This has got me thinking, the term ‘settlers’ doesn’t really describe what they are doing to the indigenous population.

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https://x.com/sohiubn/status/1810516009196888441?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2024 10:38

Thank you. That is theft and occupation.

Finallyloggedin · 09/07/2024 12:22

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1810509257328017792?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

This is a longer version of the video I posted previously. The caption on this one says that it took place three weeks prior to October 7th.

Tell me again, who are the terrorists?

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https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1810509257328017792?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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BelleHathor · 12/07/2024 23:07

One of biggest tragedies is how Palestinian Christians have been "forgotten" during this conflict by some people. Likely in order to frame the situation as a "religious war" between Islam and Judaism.

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:20

@BelleHathor so true, and all to fit a narrative, as you say.

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:27

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“ "Jesus is a fagot, Jesus is a son of a whre"
The daily routine in Jerusalem: Jews spit, attack and curse Christians, especially clergymen.“

This news report has clergymen speaking in English so well worth watching even if you don’t (as I don’t) speak Hebrew.

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https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:32

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1812751153060360440?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Guard at Al Aqsa Mosque before and after being held by Israeli authorities. (I’m not sure why he was in detention, or whether he was just taken hostage, as often happens to Palestinians).

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User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:40

Finallyloggedin · 03/06/2024 21:37

Apologies for the long title! There are so many awful things happening to the Palestinians in the West Bank, the Christians in Israel and others.

I thought there was already a thread detailing this but now can’t find it, apologies if I am missing it. Or it may have already been full.

Here is a clip of Israeli minister of finance, Bezelal Smotrich, vowing to topple Netanyahu’s government and calling for genocidal violence in the West Bank.
https://x.com/mintpressnews/status/1797712255154549118?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

You haven’t actually posted anything that would make your title accurate. The IDF and Israeli police have many non Jewish Israelis who serve in them. Around 30% of Israeli citizens are not ethnically Jewish (a much higher percentage are not considered Jewish according to religious law). All Israeli citizens have equal rights in all respects and it is legally prohibited to discriminate due to religion or race. Non Jewish Israelis achieve well in Israel and sit in parliament and as judges, etc. they are actually slightly more likely to be in some key professions (such as medicine) than Jewish Israelis.

Israel has many faults but is the only democracy in the Middle East and by an enormous margin has the best human rights record in the region.

User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:44

BelleHathor · 12/07/2024 23:07

One of biggest tragedies is how Palestinian Christians have been "forgotten" during this conflict by some people. Likely in order to frame the situation as a "religious war" between Islam and Judaism.

Sadly there is widespread discrimination in Palestinian society towards Christians and the percentage of christians in those territories has declined rapidly as many have left. Some have even been able to claim asylum in Israel (although most have gone overseas).

it’s a myth that Hamas is favourable towards christians. They are an Islamic fundamentalist group who have expressed the wish to massacre christians after the Jews. Same goes for Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the various other similar organizations in Gaza and the West Bank.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2024 14:22

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 13:27

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1812562735361896815?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“ "Jesus is a fagot, Jesus is a son of a whre"
The daily routine in Jerusalem: Jews spit, attack and curse Christians, especially clergymen.“

This news report has clergymen speaking in English so well worth watching even if you don’t (as I don’t) speak Hebrew.

Those ignorant thugs’ behaviour is obscene. I take it they have no religion themselves, or else don’t understand it.

Scirocco · 15/07/2024 15:49

'Islamic' does not mean the same as 'Islamist'.

Auvergne63 · 15/07/2024 16:04

User2460177 · 15/07/2024 13:40

You haven’t actually posted anything that would make your title accurate. The IDF and Israeli police have many non Jewish Israelis who serve in them. Around 30% of Israeli citizens are not ethnically Jewish (a much higher percentage are not considered Jewish according to religious law). All Israeli citizens have equal rights in all respects and it is legally prohibited to discriminate due to religion or race. Non Jewish Israelis achieve well in Israel and sit in parliament and as judges, etc. they are actually slightly more likely to be in some key professions (such as medicine) than Jewish Israelis.

Israel has many faults but is the only democracy in the Middle East and by an enormous margin has the best human rights record in the region.

I will leave these links for you to read.
Israel’s controversial new “Jewish nation-state” law, explained - Vox
'Non-Jewish' Jews endure challenges living in Israel (jewishjournal.com)
Israel adopts divisive law that declares only Jews have the right of self-determination (nbcnews.com)
Finally, Israel has been downgraded as a democracy.
Israel No Longer Considered Liberal Democracy; Global Index Cites Judicial Coup - Israel News - Haaretz.com

Demonstrators attend a rally to protest against the “Jewish Nation-State Bill” in the Israeli coastal city of Tel Aviv on July 14, 2018.

Israel’s hugely controversial “nation-state” law, explained

Supporters call Israel’s new Jewish nation-state law a “defining moment.” Critics say it’s “apartheid.”

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy

Auvergne63 · 15/07/2024 16:06

Scirocco · 15/07/2024 15:49

'Islamic' does not mean the same as 'Islamist'.

There is a huge difference between the two.

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 16:57

@User2460177 you assert that Israel has the best human rights record, can you explain to me how you come to that conclusion when the Israeli government are currently committing genocide?

Plus, there are loads of examples of Christians being treated appallingly with the authorities turning a blind eye.

Amazing speech from Munther Issac in which he delivers from a mosque in South Africa. Within it he dispels many of the myths you have claimed:

Palestine - awakening the conscience of the World- Rev Munther Isaac

Rev. Munther Isaac is a prominent Palestinian Christian theologian, pastor, and academic. Born in Beit Sahour, a town near Bethlehem in the West Bank, his li...

https://youtu.be/AlH4ll6jjyI?si=n0GMGniJZaWHb7DG

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Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 16:57

Also see https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-attacks-on-christians-become-more-frequent-a-crisis-looms-for-israel/ for just one example of violence towards Christians.

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Finallyloggedin · 23/07/2024 23:23

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1815866105530859872?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Tulkarem:

Israeli soldiers use a Palestinian as a human shield during their incursion into the city”

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https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1815866105530859872?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 30/07/2024 19:23

https://x.com/muntherisaac/status/1818203204124815475?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Palestinian Christian Layan Nasir’s detention without charge has been extended.

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https://x.com/muntherisaac/status/1818203204124815475?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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