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PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 09:38

EllaDisenchanted · 03/06/2024 06:15

I’ve never said collective punishment in Gaza is right, or minimised what is going on in Gaza. And I’m not comparing not being able to go on luxury holidays to what is happening in Gaza. Of course they are not the same. But it is hypocritical nonetheless. And if I feel like that, guaranteed a lot of other Israelis feel the same.

I'm just so frustrated with this, it feels like pouring fuel on the fire, and is going to further inflame tensions.

I never said that you agree with the collective punishment of Palestinians and like I said earlier on in the thread I personally would only agree with targeted travel bans on Israelis, that's a pretty normal sanction and it's shameful that it hasn't been done by all Western countries

I suppose seeing the stark reality, that Israelis are getting 'inflamed' over travel bans to luxury holiday destinations whilst their government starves children, it just feels so fucked up. It really illustrates the power imbalance and the fact that even though both are at war Gaza and Israel are existing in two very different worlds.

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 09:39

Littlebitofsomething · 03/06/2024 09:22

As a gesture, it carries weight. Sanctions such as those imposed for Russia would be preferable in my view but somebody has got to do something to stop what the Israeli government are doing.

I agree.

Sanctions were key to ending apartheid in South Africa.

MrsJackThornton · 03/06/2024 09:58

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Thousands of Palestinian children have died since October 7th, thousands.

How many 6, 7 or 8 years olds do you think are capable of "handing over Hamas"?

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 11:33

Wise. Boycott the Maldives and they’ll soon be begging for mercy. Unlike Israel, which is an economic powerhouse, they’re just a tourist playground.
And what a fine record on human rights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Maldives

"Human rights in the Maldives, an archipelagic nation of 417,000 people off the coast of the Indian Subcontinent,[1] is a contentious issue. In its 2011 Freedom in the World report, Freedom House declared the Maldives "Partly Free", claiming a reform process which had made headway in 2009 and 2010 had stalled.[2] The United States Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor claims in their 2012 report on human rights practices in the country that the most significant problems are corruption, lack of religious freedom, and abuse and unequal treatment of women.[3]
The Maldives has a longstanding practice of employing criminal defamation laws as a means to suppress dissent."

" Moreover, the government has imposed stringent limitations on assemblies, resulting in the prohibition or severe restriction of peaceful rallies and protests. These actions have raised concerns about the state of freedom of expression and civil liberties in the country.[4]"

I I am sure that people who who have celebrated this announcement are also very supportive of free speech, freedom of expression and protests.

The Israelis won't miss this place and intelligent people will recognise the irony in this decision.

Human rights in the Maldives - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Maldives

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 11:42

TomeTome · 03/06/2024 07:16

Boycotting, and shunning are trait ways of expressing displeasure. Ultimately this is a peaceful way of the Maldives showing how they feel about Israel’s actions.

And I will peacefully abstain from ever visiting there now (it was on my list) because a people that will generalise all Israelis in that way makes me wonder what they'd think of me.

Not a place I'd want to go.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 11:44

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 11:42

And I will peacefully abstain from ever visiting there now (it was on my list) because a people that will generalise all Israelis in that way makes me wonder what they'd think of me.

Not a place I'd want to go.

@NecessaryNC24 absolutely right. Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

I think that posters supporting this need to understand what it is they are supporting and what it reveals about their thinking to all reading this thread.

Boycott them!

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 11:45

Indeed.

Boycotts go both ways.

And Many Atheist gentiles like me feel the same way.

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 11:54

@NecessaryNC24

"Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic."

Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but I don't remember your outrage at anything the IDF has done. You have consistently supported their actions.

So what is there to conflate?

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 11:56

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AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 11:59

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 11:56

???

Gosh sorry.

I meant @keenforhelp

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:04

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 11:54

@NecessaryNC24

"Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic."

Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but I don't remember your outrage at anything the IDF has done. You have consistently supported their actions.

So what is there to conflate?

@AhNowTed you what?
show me evidence of this " I don't remember your outrage at anything the IDF has done. You have consistently supported their actions."

However, even if I do consistently support their actions, it remains true that "Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

Do you support countries that are racist, anti-Semitic and prohibit free speech and protests? Do you support the Pro-Palestinian marches in this country and free speech?

Mellowdramadrama · 03/06/2024 12:06

@keenforhelp were you also outraged when trump imposed a similar ban on a number of countries that had a pre-dominantly Muslim population?

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:12

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 11:44

@NecessaryNC24 absolutely right. Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

I think that posters supporting this need to understand what it is they are supporting and what it reveals about their thinking to all reading this thread.

Boycott them!

Edited

From your arguments about why you think people should boycott the Maldives it sounds like you should be pretty supportive of why the Maldives wants to boycott Israel. You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions, that's just what the Maldives are doing.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:18

Mellowdramadrama · 03/06/2024 12:06

@keenforhelp were you also outraged when trump imposed a similar ban on a number of countries that had a pre-dominantly Muslim population?

This is a thread about the Maldives - not a thread about how I can show people that I can do whataboutery.

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 12:18

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:12

From your arguments about why you think people should boycott the Maldives it sounds like you should be pretty supportive of why the Maldives wants to boycott Israel. You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions, that's just what the Maldives are doing.

LOL. Did somebody mention irony.

SmugglersHaunt · 03/06/2024 12:19

HermioneWeasley · 02/06/2024 20:12

Have they banned Chinese people because of the genocide against the Uighurs? Or Syrians or Iranians because of the appalling acts of their government? If not, it just looks a lot like anti semitism.

Exactly. It’s just more anti-Semitic rubbish.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:20

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:12

From your arguments about why you think people should boycott the Maldives it sounds like you should be pretty supportive of why the Maldives wants to boycott Israel. You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions, that's just what the Maldives are doing.

@PearlKoala You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions.
a.) Which country am I supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions?

I will remind you that Gaza's administration invaded a country and carried out the worst terrorist atrocity and genocide since 1945.

MrsJackThornton · 03/06/2024 12:24

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 11:44

@NecessaryNC24 absolutely right. Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

I think that posters supporting this need to understand what it is they are supporting and what it reveals about their thinking to all reading this thread.

Boycott them!

Edited

Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

And what do we call countries who conflate all Palestinians with Hamas terrorist operations....

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:25

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:20

@PearlKoala You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions.
a.) Which country am I supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions?

I will remind you that Gaza's administration invaded a country and carried out the worst terrorist atrocity and genocide since 1945.

A. The Maldives

Auvergne63 · 03/06/2024 12:26

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:12

From your arguments about why you think people should boycott the Maldives it sounds like you should be pretty supportive of why the Maldives wants to boycott Israel. You are one of the posters that is supporting boycotting a whole country based off its government's actions, that's just what the Maldives are doing.

You beat me to it! You really couldn't make it up.

Auvergne63 · 03/06/2024 12:29

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:25

A. The Maldives

You beat me to it again!!

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 12:29

The difference is there are plenty of beautiful countries to visit that don't judge people on the passport they hold.

After saving for a much-wanted holiday I will be choosing one of those and none of those others that are showing so shockingly their antisemitism.

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 12:38

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:04

@AhNowTed you what?
show me evidence of this " I don't remember your outrage at anything the IDF has done. You have consistently supported their actions."

However, even if I do consistently support their actions, it remains true that "Countries that will do this - that is conflate all Israelis - Jews - with IDF military operations are racist and anti-Semitic.

Do you support countries that are racist, anti-Semitic and prohibit free speech and protests? Do you support the Pro-Palestinian marches in this country and free speech?

Wouldn't it only be antisemitic to conflate Israelis and the IDF if the actions of the IDF were reprehensible?

So the actions of the IDF must be reprehensible then, no?

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:38

NecessaryNC24 · 03/06/2024 12:29

The difference is there are plenty of beautiful countries to visit that don't judge people on the passport they hold.

After saving for a much-wanted holiday I will be choosing one of those and none of those others that are showing so shockingly their antisemitism.

And the Maldives see Israel as a country that are starving children and bombing refugee camps and thinks there are plenty of other people they would rather welcome. It's the same thing, they are judging Israel based on its government's actions and you are judging the Maldives based on their governments actions.

Edited to add boycott if you like but getting on your high horse about the Maldives doing it what you are supporting doing just seems off. Either you support boycotting an entire country based off their governments actions or you don't.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 12:45

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 12:25

A. The Maldives

Its human rights record are deplorable but that is not the reason I suggested boycotting them.

I am supporting a boycott based upon its actions on banning a Western democratic state - that is an ally of many countries - from its shores due to its racist and anti-Semitic stance.

Why aren't you?

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