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keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:33

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.

It is your opinion stated as a fact.

That does not make it a fact.

Who is dehumanising Palestinians?

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 13:33

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:23

Yes I did say that dogs are treated well by people in the UK and Ireland.

Aren't they?

If you want to use an outdated cliche to explain your point of view, then that is your problem. Just do not dare say what I am saying is ridiculous because you do not agree with it. I won't put up with your inflammatory language.

" Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse" - that is your opinion.

Who the heck do you think you are inviting me to set a record straight and get me to agree with your opinion! Unbelievable!

I have not suggested or said that I agree with any atrocities taking place anywhere in the world nor that human rights abuses should be ignored.

Do not, I repeat, STOP putting words into my mouth or say that I am implying things.

Just stop!

Edited

Stop making ridiculous points you can't stand over if you don't want them challenged?

AhNowTed · 04/06/2024 13:35

Honestly folks, why bother.

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:43

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 13:33

Stop making ridiculous points you can't stand over if you don't want them challenged?

@ConnieCounter you have just proved my point for all to see.

Mellowdramadrama · 04/06/2024 13:55

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.

Exactly this

Lampzade · 04/06/2024 13:58

ssd · 02/06/2024 20:09

Whilst I'm appalled at the slaughter going on in Gaza, i dont think its right to ban a whole country, there are Israelis as appalled at whats going on as i am.

This

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 14:02

Lampzade · 04/06/2024 13:58

This

Yep - it is racism and anti-Semitism at its most rampant. And there are people on this thread cheering this one!

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 14:11

@keenforhelp
It is not my opinion stated as fact. It is fact. It all there for you to research

I can post all the research later, but I'm at work.
Those who dehumanise Palestinians are those who have been calling them cockroaches, human animals, have said they don't love their children like 'they' do, etc.

Liv999 · 04/06/2024 15:59

Anyone with half a brain knows the Palestinians have been dehumanised for years, some people just choose not to accept facts even when it's staring them in the face unfortunately

julili · 04/06/2024 20:51

Liv999 · 04/06/2024 15:59

Anyone with half a brain knows the Palestinians have been dehumanised for years, some people just choose not to accept facts even when it's staring them in the face unfortunately

Yep. Israeli lives just seem to be worth more. It’s not acceptable and I hope the Maldives are the first of many counties who will one day push the bullies back.

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CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 05/06/2024 04:21

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:52

And don't accuse me of calling people stupid. I did not. I said YOU were being DELIBERATELY obtuse. Deliberate implies you know what you are doing.

What does stupid mean?
What does obtuse mean?
What's the difference?

BibiSuzanne · 05/06/2024 06:26

@CakeTastesBetterAsBatter

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
HelenHen · 05/06/2024 07:49

Those of you upset about this, are you just as upset about the Israeli government limiting freedom of movement for Palestinians, as mentioned in this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/jerusalem-israeli-nationalist-flag-march-muslim-areas

"The Temple Mount area has also been unusually quiet: Israel has restricted access to the site for Palestinian men over 55 and women over 50 since October.
Under a longstanding compromise agreement, Jews are allowed to visit, but not pray at the Temple Mount. In recent years, however, growing numbers of Jewish visitors, sometimes praying or with police escorts, have inflamed longstanding Palestinian fears that Israel plans to annex the area."

Jerusalem braces for Israeli nationalist flag march through Muslim areas

Thousands of police deployed for parade that has been historical flashpoint for violence between marchers and Palestinians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/jerusalem-israeli-nationalist-flag-march-muslim-areas

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 08:45

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 07:49

Those of you upset about this, are you just as upset about the Israeli government limiting freedom of movement for Palestinians, as mentioned in this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/jerusalem-israeli-nationalist-flag-march-muslim-areas

"The Temple Mount area has also been unusually quiet: Israel has restricted access to the site for Palestinian men over 55 and women over 50 since October.
Under a longstanding compromise agreement, Jews are allowed to visit, but not pray at the Temple Mount. In recent years, however, growing numbers of Jewish visitors, sometimes praying or with police escorts, have inflamed longstanding Palestinian fears that Israel plans to annex the area."

There's really no equivalence between a tiny country banning Israeli passport holders and the longstanding conflict over Jewish people being banned from praying on the holiest site in Judaism. Temple Mount has always been a flashpoint for confrontational behaviour between groups to whom the site is significant. If a synagogue had been built upon the holiest site in Islam and Muslims were banned from worshipping there, I suspect the same issues would arise. It would be challenging for Israel to annex the area as administration, visiting and worship there is under Jordanian control.

There are frequent attempts by small, violent groups not representative of the Palestinian population as a whole to prevent non-Muslim visitors entering the site completely, including stopping Jewish people from praying at the Western Wall, and Jewish people were banned entirely from the Western Wall from 1948-67. Does this restriction of movement, access and worship earn equal condemnation?

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 09:55

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 08:45

There's really no equivalence between a tiny country banning Israeli passport holders and the longstanding conflict over Jewish people being banned from praying on the holiest site in Judaism. Temple Mount has always been a flashpoint for confrontational behaviour between groups to whom the site is significant. If a synagogue had been built upon the holiest site in Islam and Muslims were banned from worshipping there, I suspect the same issues would arise. It would be challenging for Israel to annex the area as administration, visiting and worship there is under Jordanian control.

There are frequent attempts by small, violent groups not representative of the Palestinian population as a whole to prevent non-Muslim visitors entering the site completely, including stopping Jewish people from praying at the Western Wall, and Jewish people were banned entirely from the Western Wall from 1948-67. Does this restriction of movement, access and worship earn equal condemnation?

Yes of course... but 'small violent groups' probably don't have the backing of the law behind them, so of course are condemned.

But the following seems to specify that Palestinians are restricted by the Israeli government, so not comparable at all:

"Israel has restricted access to the site for Palestinian men over 55 and women over 50 since October."

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 10:06

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 09:55

Yes of course... but 'small violent groups' probably don't have the backing of the law behind them, so of course are condemned.

But the following seems to specify that Palestinians are restricted by the Israeli government, so not comparable at all:

"Israel has restricted access to the site for Palestinian men over 55 and women over 50 since October."

The small violent groups have the backing of the Jordanian authorities and the PA, neither of whom condemn them. Maybe have a look at the incidents and actions which have prompted restrictions on entry for the context which seems to be missing.

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 10:18

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 10:06

The small violent groups have the backing of the Jordanian authorities and the PA, neither of whom condemn them. Maybe have a look at the incidents and actions which have prompted restrictions on entry for the context which seems to be missing.

So are they similar to the Israeli violent settlers then? Just acting as they wish knowing they will not be stopped?

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 13:04

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 10:18

So are they similar to the Israeli violent settlers then? Just acting as they wish knowing they will not be stopped?

Do you think they're similar to violent Israeli settlers?

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 14:28

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 13:04

Do you think they're similar to violent Israeli settlers?

Why did you just repeat my own question back at me? 😂

Nautiluss · 05/06/2024 14:31

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 14:28

Why did you just repeat my own question back at me? 😂

Because you're the one who shifted the goal posts and brought the subject up, so I assumed you'd be keen to share your thoughts on it. No worries if you don't know.

HelenHen · 05/06/2024 14:42

So both groups have no legal backing but authorities turn a blind eye to them.

You were the one who initially moved the goal posts. I was discussing state sanctioned freedom of movement, like what the thread is discussing. You then compared this to "small, violent groups not representative of the Palestinian population as a whole"

So please... answer my question!

Thisagainandagain · 07/06/2024 05:57

ssd · 02/06/2024 20:09

Whilst I'm appalled at the slaughter going on in Gaza, i dont think its right to ban a whole country, there are Israelis as appalled at whats going on as i am.

This.

I guess none of the others matter.

Replied to wrong post. Was replying to person who suggested Chinese, and other countries etc not banned in Maldives regardless of genocides committed by them. Strikes as none of the others matter. See a lot of this.

MoMo999 · 22/06/2024 03:02

ssd · 02/06/2024 20:09

Whilst I'm appalled at the slaughter going on in Gaza, i dont think its right to ban a whole country, there are Israelis as appalled at whats going on as i am.

Well yes but then sometimes it has to be a blanket ban. I am sure there were a handful of white South Africans who did not agree with apartheid but the boycott needed to be in place even though it affected them too.

I am absolutely appalled by some of the tosh that comes out of Sunak's mouth on this topic, and he does not speak for me nor many others, but as PM he ends up speaking for Britain and people think he represents us - luckily not for long.

keenforhelp · 22/06/2024 10:24

Epic fail by The Maldives

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