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Conflict in the Middle East

If all Palestinians leave Gaza, are Israel then allowed to claim the land?

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TERFCat · 19/05/2024 08:28

Sorry, for the simplicity of what I'm saying. I'm new to this and trying to learn. Smile

From what I've seen, many Palestinians in Gaza are being moved to camps elsewhere. Sadly, many have been killed too.

The photos of the area suggest that much of Gaza is ruined and will need to be re-built.

If hypothetically all Palestinians were moved elsewhere, would Israel then be able to "claim" Gaza? Would the UN etc be allowed to stop them? Would the West Bank be able to claim it?

Any insight appreciated?

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Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 13:38

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 10:44

One thread. I got it wrong and I apologised.

But the quotes out there. You clearly feel it, or wouldn’t have quoted it. Are you saying sorry for saying it openly, rather than keeping it to yourself, even though it’s something that you believe? Surely you can’t say something like that and then say ‘oops, sorry, don’t know why I said that as I don’t really believe it’.

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 13:45

Dont trivialise my apology to suit your narrative. It was genuine.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 13:49

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 13:45

Dont trivialise my apology to suit your narrative. It was genuine.

Of course it was….

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:05

Livelovebehappy you, yoursel is actually blinkered in her own echo chamber.
If Israel wasn’t trying to punish people of Gaza with keeping food from people of Gaza, controll their water supplies there would be no need to create an organisation that would fight them back and resist.
Why was Hamas created?
Why are you trying to gaslight us?
Israel is exposed wether you like it or not. Their agenda is to take Gaza. Some may have believed Israel at the beginning, until they didn’t believe it anymore. And no one but pathetic people like you still believe this lie. It’s called GENOCIDE AND OCCUPATION.
I wonder Livelovebehappy, if someone came to your own home pretending to be homeless, you give them a room and eventually they fight with you to take your whole house. What would happen? Would you accept it and moved out or you would fight it?
And if you would would fight it, neighbours would call you a terrorist for fighting back. Simplify things and change your perspective, you’ll understand things better.

blurry5205 · 26/05/2024 14:15

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:05

Livelovebehappy you, yoursel is actually blinkered in her own echo chamber.
If Israel wasn’t trying to punish people of Gaza with keeping food from people of Gaza, controll their water supplies there would be no need to create an organisation that would fight them back and resist.
Why was Hamas created?
Why are you trying to gaslight us?
Israel is exposed wether you like it or not. Their agenda is to take Gaza. Some may have believed Israel at the beginning, until they didn’t believe it anymore. And no one but pathetic people like you still believe this lie. It’s called GENOCIDE AND OCCUPATION.
I wonder Livelovebehappy, if someone came to your own home pretending to be homeless, you give them a room and eventually they fight with you to take your whole house. What would happen? Would you accept it and moved out or you would fight it?
And if you would would fight it, neighbours would call you a terrorist for fighting back. Simplify things and change your perspective, you’ll understand things better.

I wonder Livelovebehappy, if someone came to your own home pretending to be homeless, you give them a room and eventually they fight with you to take your whole house. What would happen? Would you accept it and moved out or you would fight it?
And if you would would fight it, neighbours would call you a terrorist for fighting back. Simplify things and change your perspective, you’ll understand things better.

Just to be clear, are you saying Hamas are not terrorist? Are you calling what happened on October 7th fighting back?

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:22

Blurry Gaza have been starved, Gaza is controlled by Israel for years. Doesn't that ring a bell for you? Why are you soooo eager to call a group of people terrorists? Isn't Israel a terrorist state that has been killing for more than six months? Just to be clear now I ASK are you saying Israel is allowed to kill and not be called terrorist? The fact that you picked those words tell me where you stand.
Again, if you press on a group of people for far too long there will be consequences. I won't Hamas of anything. I know that if someone tried to deny you access to basic stuff in this life you would do what you could to free yourself.

blurry5205 · 26/05/2024 14:27

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:22

Blurry Gaza have been starved, Gaza is controlled by Israel for years. Doesn't that ring a bell for you? Why are you soooo eager to call a group of people terrorists? Isn't Israel a terrorist state that has been killing for more than six months? Just to be clear now I ASK are you saying Israel is allowed to kill and not be called terrorist? The fact that you picked those words tell me where you stand.
Again, if you press on a group of people for far too long there will be consequences. I won't Hamas of anything. I know that if someone tried to deny you access to basic stuff in this life you would do what you could to free yourself.

That doesn't really answer my questions.

If someone tried to deny me access to basic stuff I would not rape, kidnap or murder anyone.

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:30

Blurry AND you're not answering mine. Same with the people you're trying to defend.
To defend themselves they are KILLING, RAPING AND MURDERING. As self defence. Right? Isn't that what Israel is doing?
I end this discussion here. The hypocrisy and contradiction from people who defend Israel is mind blowing.

blurry5205 · 26/05/2024 14:31

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:30

Blurry AND you're not answering mine. Same with the people you're trying to defend.
To defend themselves they are KILLING, RAPING AND MURDERING. As self defence. Right? Isn't that what Israel is doing?
I end this discussion here. The hypocrisy and contradiction from people who defend Israel is mind blowing.

So do you think Hamas are not terrorists? That October 7th was justified? Because it kind of sounds like you do.

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 15:19

blurry5205 · 26/05/2024 14:31

So do you think Hamas are not terrorists? That October 7th was justified? Because it kind of sounds like you do.

She will never answer or condemn them.

Being pro-hamas is bad enough but then, by extention, you are also pro-iran, pro-houthi, pro-russia, pro-hezbollah, pro-russia and pro-north korea.

Just imagine what goes through your head to want to stand shoulder to shoulder with that bunch of degenerates.

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 15:44

@Livelovebehappy don't dare tell me my apology was not genuine. Ffs!

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 16:01

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 15:19

She will never answer or condemn them.

Being pro-hamas is bad enough but then, by extention, you are also pro-iran, pro-houthi, pro-russia, pro-hezbollah, pro-russia and pro-north korea.

Just imagine what goes through your head to want to stand shoulder to shoulder with that bunch of degenerates.

What ridiculous hyperbole! Being pro-Russia must the worst because you mentioned it twice.

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 16:18

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 16:01

What ridiculous hyperbole! Being pro-Russia must the worst because you mentioned it twice.

Yeah, one of them should have been china.

Which one of those are you against? All of them are for hamas, by the way.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 16:40

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 16:18

Yeah, one of them should have been china.

Which one of those are you against? All of them are for hamas, by the way.

None. I find your hyperbole ludicrous and I am definitively pro something.
Pro humanity. Israeli lives and Palestinian lives are equal in my eyes, are they in yours?

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 16:43

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 16:40

None. I find your hyperbole ludicrous and I am definitively pro something.
Pro humanity. Israeli lives and Palestinian lives are equal in my eyes, are they in yours?

Your posts on this thread alone tells everyone where your loyalties lie and who you support.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 16:52

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 16:43

Your posts on this thread alone tells everyone where your loyalties lie and who you support.

Of course they do. The good old " if you condemn the actions of the IDF, you must be pro Hamas or antisemitic, but most likely both". Can you do any better? By the way, I still don't know if you think the life of a Palestinian has the same value as the life of an Israeli. By not answering, you are actually giving me a clear indication of your opinion.

Scirocco · 26/05/2024 17:10

@LauraNorda are the lives of an Israeli child and a Palestinian child of equal worth in your eyes?

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 26/05/2024 17:15

Yes, Israel would just take it as they feel entitled to it. I don’t think anyone would actually try and stop them and they know this.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 17:34

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 14:22

Blurry Gaza have been starved, Gaza is controlled by Israel for years. Doesn't that ring a bell for you? Why are you soooo eager to call a group of people terrorists? Isn't Israel a terrorist state that has been killing for more than six months? Just to be clear now I ASK are you saying Israel is allowed to kill and not be called terrorist? The fact that you picked those words tell me where you stand.
Again, if you press on a group of people for far too long there will be consequences. I won't Hamas of anything. I know that if someone tried to deny you access to basic stuff in this life you would do what you could to free yourself.

And there it is. An admission that you refuse to admit that Hamas are terrorists, when most of the world has identified them as terrorists. And btw, food and water have been going into Gaza, but Hamas have been intercepting most of it and taking it for their own fighters. Caring people that they are.....

Scirocco · 26/05/2024 17:36

@Livelovebehappy where's your evidence of that?

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 17:44

Scirocco · 26/05/2024 17:36

@Livelovebehappy where's your evidence of that?

Read this, which explains why Hamas do not want aid to reach their people. They want to control it.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 17:44

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 17:44

Read this, which explains why Hamas do not want aid to reach their people. They want to control it.

www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/12/hamas-warns-gazans-against-cooperating-with-israel-on-aid-delivery/

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 17:51

Not exactly impartial

If all Palestinians leave Gaza, are Israel then allowed to claim the land?
Cecilly · 26/05/2024 17:57

The only actual evidence in the article @Livelovebehappy is an article written by the Times of Israel which we all know is very much not a rag sheet of Israeli propaganda. Like it or not it has been well documented that aid is not getting in to Gaza because it's being held up at the border by the Israeli's. Those are the actual facts.

Scirocco · 26/05/2024 18:17

Not exactly a vast amount of robust evidence that can counterbalance all the reports from aid agencies, international bodies, etc.

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